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⌈ Secret Post #3516 ⌋

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02. [SPOILERS for Over the Hills and Far Away]

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03. [SPOILERS for Pokemon Sun and Moon]

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04. [SPOILERS for Inside]

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05. [SPOILERS for The Girl With All The Gifts]

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06. [SPOILERS for Steven Universe]
[WARNING for suicide]

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07. [WARNING for non-con]

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08. [WARNING for incest]

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09. [WARNING for suicide]

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They're fapping to Nazis. They're turning genocidal fuckwads into something ~sexy~ because they get off on human misery.

did you know that the brain chemical responsible for arousal is the same as the chemical responsible for fear

the more terrible a thing is, the greater certainty that many humans will eroticize it

there's not *turning*

genocidal fuckwads are inherently sexy to some people

and I'd way rather hang out with those people than the ones who say 'oh they're not really nazis, they just want security and order!!!! they're trying their best!! they definitely aren't into exploiting and dehumanizing and brutalizing people' because...that is *actually* romanticization

"the more terrible a thing is, the greater certainty that many humans will eroticize it"

Do you have anything actually backing this up? Because if this was true, those people who write love letters to serial killers would be the norm, not an anomaly.

most people aren't intimately afraid of serial killers, tho, it's just not a common pressing concern

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misattribution_of_arousal < this is the basic 'same chemical' thing

obviously it's a lot more complicated because humans are complicated, but eroticizing fears IS one of the coping mechanisms in the human brain's arsenal

Okay enjoy your gross kink. I'll be over there with the people who aren't making light of real life tragedies or prioritizing their orgasms over basic decency.

how do my private orgasms hurt rl victims tho

genuine question

It has been proven that the porn people consume alters their view of reality and can damage their relationship with sexuality.

Citation other than "It is known, khaleesi"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YpHNImNsx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng172g_F8rM

Some lectures by Gail Dines. I'd recommend also reading her book Pornland, which talks about this topic in more detail.

Wow! Aren't you a condescending asshole. So you have no sexual fantasies whatsoever? Everyone does. Some are darker than others. It doesn't mean that people are nazis. It doesn't mean they're messed up. If they try and make them a reality yes then that's fucked up.

We're talking here about fictional characters in a fictional world sheesh

So you're not just against HTP you're talking about porn in genera?

There goes fandom...

And you think the other people who write non HTP non con and torture don't? They do, and they are, they just refuse to admit it. There's so.much. terrible, unhealthy fanfic out there in which Good Guy Heroes abuse, gaslight, control, and force sex on, other Good Guy Heroes and no one says "boo" about it. Meanwhile, the HTP's rapists and torturers are all, ALWAYS played by, like, actual canonical villains. You know villains, whose job it is to make the heroes miserable? It's completely IC for villains to torture people- you know- like they did to Bucky in CANON. Are you saying people can't write villains being villains? Like, they can't use the actions of terrible people in order to create and propel the plot? Or just when they're also using it to get off?

Did you hear that everyone? You're NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE ABOUT BAD THINGS IF IT MEANS YOU"RE DERIVING ANY SORT OF EMOTIONAL SATISFACTION FROM IT.

I'd rather read a fic about Brock Rumlow raping Bucky Barnes than read one about Steve Rogers raping Bucky (not under a spell or mind control or in a fuck or die situation but because he wants to or doesn't understand what he's doing). See the difference? One is HTP, one is absolutely NOT HTP (and also wildly OOC). There are some truly fucked up dynamics in non HTP fics. At least HTP is being honest about what they're there for.

In fact, there was tons of rapefic in the Marvel fandom *before* HTP started, some of the first fics I read on entering the fandom, again *before* HTP started, involved Bucky being raped and/or sex pollened by Hydra. This was pre Winter Soldier movie. PRE. So this element already existed. I mean have you seen the prompts on Avengerkink? They're not any better. It's just Tony and Clint getting subjected to all of that instead of Bucky or Steve.

All HTP does is admit that's what they're doing. And I find it bizarre that it's considered "disgusting" if the H/C torture fics are interpreted as intended for sexual arousal, but perfectly okay if they're just regular H/C not labeled HTP. Even if the story contains rape and/or abuse of a heroic character by a member of Hydra, described in graphic detail and followed by a comforting, romantic resolution with the ship of your choice. Which includes TONS of stories not labeled HTP. TONS AND TONS of them. People who read and write ordinary H/C not labeled HTP ARE essentially getting off on it too, they derive a sense of excitement over seeing a character go through terrible things and then be comforted by their lover. It's a kink too. They're getting off on it too.

There seems to be this weird, hazy dividing line between HTP and "H/C fic involving rape of a hero by a Hydra affiliated villain".

AYRT

I'm opposed to non-con and H/C in general, so your argument is moot.

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