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Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

Or class issues only exist if we're not talking about "conservative trailer trash."

Ooh, yes, this.

Hell, I hate the "trailer trash" thing in general. And I also tend to get annoyed by the assumption some on the left have that people who are lower-class/rural/living in a trailer must be conservative, or are more likely to lean conservative. I'm lower-class and lived in a trailer growing up...and yet I'm definitely liberal. As are my parents and sister.

Same thing happens with people who assume that "middle America" is automatically more conservative. Certainly there are conservative pockets and states in this part of the country-I've lived in a few of them.

But there are plenty of liberals and liberal pockets here, too, and not just in the big cities. Setting aside how much I detest Trump himself in general, that whole "New York values" thing involving him during the primaries was total bullshit for the other implications it had about the coasts versus the middle part of the country. Yeah, none of us here in "flyover land" could possibly relate to the political beliefs of people in New York. They're just way too "progressive" and "liberal" for us plain folk here, apparently. And then there was the whole thing back in 2008 with Sarah Palin calling this part of the country the "real America" as opposed to New York and California.

Like, fuck off with that crap.

Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

But those things are true as statistical generalities. Of course there are liberals everywhere, and there's a lot of stupid condescending talk, but it is factually the case that people in rural areas are more likely to be conservative, as are white people who don't have college degrees (which isn't a perfect proxy for working-class, but it does have a lot of crossover). Those things are statistically true. And not, like, in a small way, either - rural areas are in general overwhelmingly conservative, and whites without college degrees are Trump's strongest demographic by a fairly significant margin, IIRC.

Again, none of this justifies the kind of stupid condescending class trash that certain liberals like to throw out. Nor, just on a basic human level, should it lead us to make any assumptions about particular individual people, who should always be approached as people. But I don't see that as a reason to ignore the basic fact that people who live in cities are overwhelmingly more likely to be liberal than people who live in the country.

Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Like noted, I agree that there is some truth to a lot of those assumptions and generalities. The state I currently live in, that I was born in and raised in for a good portion of my life, is probably the most liberal of all the places I lived. Colorado was more "purple", but Nebraska, Wyoming, and South Dakota were definitely very, very red.

My issue was mainly with the very sort of condescension you noted, as well as this bizarre need for media and politicians to try and pit the coasts/cities against the middle/rural people. I'm just tired of the "real America" thing, or "we're more moral than the liberal coasts" thing (whatever that even means), or the way people tend to assume negative things about anyone who isn't college-educated or wealthy, and so on, and just wanted to rant about all that annoying stuff a bit :p.

Like you rightly said, though, the best way to combat that is to try and see people as legit human beings with valid complaints. Another anon who replied to my initial post had a good point, too, that just because someone doesn't see eye to eye with you (general "you") politically, that doesn't mean they don't have ANY valid arguments or concerns worth addressing.

Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

The problem isn't poor liberal erasure. It's that poor conservatives are treated like a subhuman mob, an animated wad of racism with no intelligence and no valid reason to be angry at the government.

Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

This is true, too.

Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

Kind of, yeah, but also, there is a lot of fucking racism there

Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

I was going to say the same thing.

Re: political pet peeves

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but as a poor liberal (and not in a "my parents were rich and now I am slumming it by living off ramen while I go to college" way, but in a "my community college education was free because I was so poor" way, I have to say that although poor conservatives have valid reasons to be angry at the government, like "the army harvests our kids straight out of school and sends them off to fight and when (and if) they come back they make up a disproportionate rate of the homeless and mentally ill and the government doesn't do enough to reintegrate them back into civilian society and make sure they have jobs" so much of their anger is expressed in bizarro language that I have a hard time taking them seriously.

Some samples from coworkers: "Obama is a socialist and he cut my SSI" and "America has the best health care in the world and of course everyone should have health care but I don't see why I should have to pay for it" and "see, that's why I don't believe in abortion, you weighed two pounds and you lived, I'm voting for Trump because Hillary is pro-abortion," and "foreigners are so lazy, they should all go back where they came from."