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⌈ Secret Post #3531 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

So I recently read a tumblr post about some person gushing about their work at a trans and genderqueer summer camp. Okay, great. But they kept naming the kids' names, which I thought was pretty skeevy. And a thing about it that struck me was that they were talking about several kids younger than 5 who were, supposedly, non binary.
And... that sounded massively questionable to me because what kid at that age is seriously going to self-identify as non binary? It really sounds like some faux-progressive parent pushing their beliefs on their child.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

I imagine most kids at that age don't quite get what male or female means other than outward cues like "girl wear hair ribbon! boy wear tie"

I have no idea how one would actively identify as nb or even understand the word "identity" in anything remotely like full context

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

If the kids don't understand gender identity, it doesn't seem any worse to have them spend time with adults who treat them as nonbinary than as adults who treat them as binary. I don't see the skeeve factor there.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[shortysc22]

That seems unusual to me too. When I was 7, my best friend decided she wanted to be a boy and wear boy clothes. It was just a phase she went through, her parents let her go along with it, but it was a phase. I think at that young children are still figuring what things mean in general. That's not to say for some children that they do feel different that young, but not every child is the same.

And non-binary? I don't think anyone that young knows what that really means.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

yup, as a nb adult, i'd say that sounds like both a camp with questionable practices and a terribly irresponsible counselor.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[sparrow_lately]

This seems prescriptivist and p essentialist in itself?

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see any reason why it would be impossible for a kid not to display any particular identification as one gender or another. Defining that as "non-binary" is questionable but not, I don't think, intrinsically harmful. I'm not saying it's necessarily being executed in a great way, but, like, it's not some kind of horrible awful thing.

Using the kids' real name is probably shady.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

Thing is: most kids don't really identify strongly as any gender at age 4 or under and I do think shipping them off to a genderqueer summer camp with counselors that apparently drank a bit too much of the tumblr kool aid can absolutely be harmful.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not necessarily defending the specific implementation of the camp, just that I'm not sure it's as completely insane as people seem to be reacting.

(I'd also, to be honest, really want to examine the ages and shit for myself before drawing a conclusion)

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

I think I saw that post. it was creepy how these young kids were parroting back college level worded definitions of non-binary and shit.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it probably was the same post. The wording of those quotes made me think it was either made up stuff by the alleged counselor or realy some indoctrination type level of creepy by parents and counselors alike...

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[(Anonymous)]

let's hope it was made-up to sound "cute". not that these topics are inherently not child friendly, but anybody who doesn't bother to communicate these things in easy terms for a kid... just reeks of self-serving ideology shit.

Re: Seemingly progressive things that actually sound skeevy

[greenvelvetcake]

It does seem a little weird, but as long as the camp mostly just explored gender roles and societal norms and didn't try to lock anyone into something (you think you want to be a girl, you must adhere to this forever), I don't see the harm. Although bringing in college-level theories is not a good way to approach kids.

All in all, doesn't sound like a fun camp.