[ SECRET POST #3538 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3538 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Fantasy or sci-fi living?

[herpymcderp]

I'm saying I think there's a lot of people that would agree that at it's roots early science fiction has a whole lot of sexism/racism endemic to it.

I don't think it's ALL there is to it, but holy shit is there a lot of it to go around. Like, for instance, there is a buttload of Russian sci fi that is essentially, "this is why communism is awesome, science says so, we will create the perfect race of workers and take over the universe".

But really I don't have time for a huge thesis considering other people have already done a way better job of characterizing it.

Re: Fantasy or sci-fi living?

[(Anonymous)]

Again, I agree that there's historically been a lot of racism endemic to both science fiction and fantasy. Both have had complex relationships to real world ideologies and issues. Absolutely. Not questioning that, have not been questioning that.

But the question is, what does that have to do with the theoretical and aesthetic characteristic of each genre. The point that I'm trying to make by bringing up Frankenstein is that science fiction as a genre and a mode is not necessarily implicated in the particular traits that you outlined there, from a genre aesthetics point of view. And I still don't see where you're drawing that link, or more specifically, what that has to do with the claim that, going into the history and theoretics of each genre, they are drastically different in terms of the stakes they set up and the logic they work by.

Re: Fantasy or sci-fi living?

[herpymcderp]

going into the history and theoretics of each genre, they are drastically different in terms of the stakes they set up and the logic they work by.

Absolutely. Historically, this is true. However, I'm not sure it's true by current genre standards... in the same way as current genre standards also don't comply with past standards for social commentary re: race/gender issues.

See what I'm saying?

Re: Fantasy or sci-fi living?

[(Anonymous)]

If that was your point, I think your first reply was an extremely obtuse way of making it, but I do see now what you were getting at.

I still disagree, in the sense that I don't think it's at all true that current genre standards actually have dissolved the historical-theoretical-aesthetic differences between science fiction and fantasy. But I strongly doubt we're going to make any headway at all on that one.

Re: Fantasy or sci-fi living?

[herpymcderp]

lol probably

I was just having fun talking about fiction though, so. Thanks!

(frozen comment) Re: Fantasy or sci-fi living?

[dethtoll]

Herpy is a master of saying some inchoate bullshit and it takes about 4-5 posts to tease what he really means out of it.