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While I hate the shitting on millennials culture, many of them aren't much improved from their racist / sexist parents.

but "fighting for unpaid internships at the daily prophet" well what makes them think wizard culture and muggle culture would work like that? Oftentimes when muggles weren't doing so hot, weren't Wizards doing better? pretty sure JKR said that at some point.

Millennials are just as prejudiced, just better at finding justifications for their misbehavior. A lot of that misbehavior is far more extremist too. I mean Swattings, for a start? That is prime millennial territory right there, and it isn't all gamergaters doing it.

It's a lazy shortcut to say that millenials are "just" as prejudiced. they are prejudiced, but the nature and extent of prejudice does change over time. treating it as a constant is - in general - an error.

There's absolutely no logical way to figure out how the hell any of the stuff in the wizarding world works. so you might as well just go ahead and tell whatever story you want to tell and make it work.

I'm more confused at the idea of being closer to muggles. I saw no evidence of the anti-Voldemort side promoting greater interaction with muggles and no reason to think the next generation would be less insular.

Mildly less insular, if only because the pro-separation side is so tainted with being the loser. Mildly more integrated, if only because the proper witches and wizards are more open to explaining things and maybe giving patronage to some of the more deserving and more willing to integrate muggleborns. I mean, sure Hermione made MoM but she was The Potter's righthand woman, his Bellatrix as it were, so that is to be expected. For the average muggleborns, well... They are not going to be allowed to come in being all cock of the walk and touting their social privilege and certainty in their superiority like the millennials imagine they will. They just won't be so openly disadvantaged, which is not the same thing as being advantaged.

That's about what I expect too. I do think things will be somewhat better for muggleborns, but they're the ones the war was really about, not muggles.

Well, I think the war pretty much destroyed the political and social standing of the people who are actively committed to hating Muggles, and it can't have helped the people who were passively supportive of it, so you have to think it would drift at least a little towards the positive.

But even the people who don't hate muggles aren't looking to interact with them very much and no one has been fighting to repeal the Statute of Secrecy. Look at Arthur Weasley. He'll get excited about talking to Hermione's parents but he doesn't go out of his way to further integration of the magical and muggle communities, despite being so interested in muggle culture. And he's considered unusually pro-muggle even among people who have no problem with them.

Sure, but the fact that you can do that without getting hassled by Wizard Racists - and that anyone who is even more interested than Arthur would find it easy, and that muggleborns can be more confident and open about their knowledge - does make a real difference. As it becomes more open and accepted, it becomes more normal. It's a virtuous cycle.

I'm not saying it would change overnight by any means.

Yeah, okay, I could see that happening over time. I just didn't see a lot of people who seem very interested in making it happen. Not that they're actively against it or anything.

Yes, yes, there is a good muggleborn you can do anything dear. Of course not really suitable for anything that requires any real knowledge of wizarding, but amazing what they can do if they put their minds to it.

Yeah it killed the wizard Jim Crow activists, but it left in place everyone who was willing to be nice to the deserving muggles as long as they showed the right respect for the sacrifices made by those who benefited from the old system for their advancement.

Gradual progress is still progress. Getting rid of the Wizard Racists doesn't make all the problems go away overnight, but it is a real, material improvement.

Yes it advances them to the exact position they were in when the Hogwart's locomotive was commissioned. The pre-V position, where muggleborns are tolerated, sometimes even seen as useful, as long as they remember their station.

I don't think that's true. I think there was probably a lot of anti-muggle racism pre-Voldemort that has also been discredited. People who were part of the broader structure of anti-Mugglism without being militant and violent. That stuff got discredited too.

Not really. Prior to Voldemort's first rise there was the same broad tolerance, that was what Voldemort was a reaction against. That is exactly what it has reverted to, a few notable muggleborns have risen above their station by virtue of extraordinary talents, but they are still going to be trespassers within a social context set up to benefit those already within it. The best they can hope for is that their own half-blooded children will be more accepted. Cause it is all about the UK class system, not racism. You don't change your own social class even these days, you change it for your children's class.

Not really. Prior to Voldemort's first rise there was the same broad tolerance, that was what Voldemort was a reaction against.

Is there a source in canon for this? It's a really interesting take but I'm not sure where it's coming from in canon.

If it's just an interpretation of the books, I think it's a really interesting reading. But even reading it in terms of class, that doesn't mean it has to go back to what it was before: a magical, euphoric resolution of the injustices of the class system fits pretty well with Harry Potter imo.

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Probably the same thing that makes them* think that unpaid internships are unique to millennials. It's just specialer that way.

By "them," I mean the unnamed author of this headcanon. I'm sure that most millennials don't think that life was all paid internships and $25/hr starting salaries until the year they entered the job market.

Do we want to be angry at millenials, or do we want to engage with data about broad economic changes over the last 50 years

Angry at millenials.

Hey! Some of us are engaged to very attractive data...

Okay, ignoring the fact that you're looking to start something, Harry Potter and friends were GenXers by most people's reckoning. Leaving the war out of it (because as magical national heroes they got some perks that their average age-mates would not have) They would have been entering the job market between 2001-2004. If you really think that the job market is significantly worse right now than it was during that time period, then you are deluded.

I wouldn't mind hearing your data about broad economic changes, if that's what you're going for?

Headcanons rarely have anything to do with the actual source material.

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