[ SECRET POST #3546 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3546 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. https://66.media.tumblr.com/d071e4d174647787f481b93a0c7d38b8/tumblr_odh6b0xHoZ1sivacmo1_540.png

[(Anonymous)]

I couldn't care less what Fforde thinks. Frankly, his Thursday Next books aren't very good. Nursery Crime is good and Shades of Grey is one of the best books I've ever read, but Thursday Next? Meh. She doesn't come across as a believable woman.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

He ain't even that good

[sabotabby]

I just could stand her, or his "I'm so smug-and-sophisticated" middlebrow narrative style. Also the romance in the first one was so eye-rollingly bad that I had no desire to read any further, despite how many friends of mine insisted they were good. I've read better, more innovative fanfiction.

[replicantangel]

Really? Hmm. I feel the opposite. I thought Shades of Grey was only okay, although I'll probably read the next one. I really like the Thursday Next books - I would have said "love", but I do feel they've become somewhat "make it up as I go along" on his part, and that results in some internal inconsistencies that bother me. I think Thursday is fairly believable - maybe a little too badass and quick on her feet at times, but I appreciate that she ages and has real problems that she deals with as a real person would, especially when it comes to husband and kids.

I freaking adore the Nursery Crimes books though. I think they're charming.

Anyway, I do agree in regards to caring about what Fforde thinks. So his views on fanfic are ludicrous. If I had to agree with every author I read on everything, I wouldn't have any books at all. I don't understand this idea that we have to agree with authors, even regarding their own work. (I do understand not giving money to people who are morally abhorrent, but that's a different matter.)

[(Anonymous)]

Remember the scene where Thursday Next looks into a mirror and helpfully describes her appearance for the reader? I should've listened to my instincts and put the book down then. It was all just so painfully bad!

[arcadiaego]

I barely managed to finish the first one. You've read some classic literature, big whoop. (Also he fundamentally misunderstood the ending of Jane Eyre which is a bit of a flaw if your book is named after it.)

[sarillia]

If he's one of those people who thinks fanfiction of things with dead authors is different then it could still be consistent. I can't say I understand that mindset, especially when they're making the artistic value argument rather than the moral or legal one, but a lot of people seem to have it.

[erinptah]

Unfortunately, his argument was straight-up "it's unoriginal hack work to use other people's characters, you need to make up your own." While the cast of his own novels includes Miss Havisham, the Cheshire Cat, and Jane Eyre.

I heard he's started to come around recently, but it's still kind of boggling that he managed to have that level of double standard for himself in the first place.

[sarillia]

Okay that's just funny.

[(Anonymous)]

The legal objection is at least pretty understandable.

A lot of professional authors are very protective of their monetary rights to their work-- even if they understand the vast majority of fanfic authors aren't making money off them, they don't want it out there as some kind of precedent that unauthorized usage of their works and characters is okay. When they play with public domain characters, the creators' rights have lapsed due to time.

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda like how GRRM doesn't like fanfic of his works (http://grrm.livejournal.com/151914.html) and yet that's exactly what the tv show has become.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't necessarily agree with GRRM's fanfic stance but you can't really compare a television show that he's consented to, received compensation for and had 100% control over the rights to when he agreed to allow the show to be made with fanfic, where he has zero control and receives no compensation.

[kallanda_lee]

Let me introduce you to the concept of "Death of the Author". It's beautiful, liberating, and solves many of the wold's problems.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never quite heard "death of the author" used in that sense, is that a usage I'm just unfamiliar with? As I usually use/understand it, "death of the author" is "what the author thinks about their work shouldn't define what you think about their work". That their interpretations or their background aren't definitive, and you should feel free to ignore them when interpreting their works.

Something in the vein of "the author's views in a general sense shouldn't define what you think about their work" I've usually heard referred to as "separating art and artist", since it's less about litcrit and more about if you even want to read something in the first place.

[insanenoodlyguy]

No, you have it right. But Death of the Author is rather horribly misused these days. Justifying fanon and at it's worst, condemning creators (thus completely missing the point) based on interpreting as problematic.

[(Anonymous)]

i mean, it's not like those two ideas are unrelated, so i can see why people use them kind of interchangeably

[(Anonymous)]

He retracted that, though. He now says 'Fanfiction isn't copying - it's a celebration. One long party, from the first capital letter to the last full stop!'

I still don't like his books, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I find his books impossibly tedious and twee, but his attitude toward fanfic is what pushes me over the edge from "This author is not for me" into outright loathing.

The man who has made a career out of writing fanfic looks down on fanfic authors as lazy thieves. The level of self-delusion is truly mind-boggling.

[(Anonymous)]

He totally came around on fanfic!
I love his books.

[(Anonymous)]

I love his books, and I couldn't care less about an author's stance on fanfic, but he's a terrible fucking person. Misogynistic, homophobic, violently nationalistic. I'm always happy when I find his Thursday books in the free book exchanges and for 50c at the library.