[ SECRET POST #3563 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3563 ⌋

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Comments

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

The things that you have tried to admit as presuppitions are, themselves, the things that need to be argued

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

Only if you're a moronic tumblrina with zero understanding of history, biology, or real feminist theory.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't agree that everyone who thinks that trans people exist is a moronic tumblrina with zero understanding of history, biology, or real feminist theory. I think that, if you think that's the case, this is probably not the board for you. I think, if you violently reject the basic concept that trans people exist, it's a little much to accuse others of being intellectual cowards who are too afraid to argue with you. And I think that trans people do exist.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

Do I think trans people exist? Yes, obviously. I have met them in real life. As I said, I myself used to be one. I cannot deny the existence of people who identify of trans, and I never have. That's you putting words in my mouth.

What I have denied is that gender is innate. It is not. It's a social construct, and a harmful one at that.

Now I must ask if you believe all the following statements to be true, because you HAVE claimed my rejection of them is something that needs to be argued:
1) Gender is biological.
2) Biological sex does not exist.
3) Female women are not and never have been oppressed because of their biological sex.
4) Any transwoman who committed a crime wasn't REALLY trans; she was a cis man playing dressup.

Do you really, truly believe that all of the above statements are true?

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

I apologize if I implied that your rejection of each of those positions needed to be argued. I didn't mean to imply it if I did. What I wanted to imply was that your position as a whole needed to be argued. The parts of your position that I think really needed to be argued are (1) and (2).

I think that (3) is complicated, on the grounds that oppression is complex rather than simple. I think that (4) is untrue. It would be quite something if no transwoman ever committed a crime. It would be quite incredible for transwomen to be the only perfected subdivision of human beings ever to exist.

What I do think is that gender and sex are two broad, complicated categories, with an imperfect and partial relation to biology. What I think is that each individual person's relationship to those categories is distinct and complex.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

If you really think that there is no such thing as clear, definable biological sex, then I see no point discussing this with you any further, because any argument you make is going to be grounded in incorrect ideas about how human biology works.

I've said this already downthread, but: Humans are a sexually dymorphic species. The existence of intersex conditions does not disprove that, any more than the existence of people born with no legs would disprove that humans are a bipedal species.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's fair to say that sex is broadly dymorphic and that there's such a thing as biological sex. I think it remains accurate to say that sex is a complex category, and that gender, and especially the relationship between and among relationship and gender, are complex things

Also this is the point where my drunk-assedness is going to progressively start to make my arguments make less sense so please forgive me for that in advance