[ SECRET POST #3563 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3563 ⌋

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Comments

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

"The major issue that I have heard brought up would be that anyone going into the gender neutral bathroom would immediately be pegged by transphobes as possibly trans and a target for harassment."

Such people can and should be prosecuted. If, as you claim, a transwoman who assaults someone in a bathroom will be prosecuted, then so will someone who assaults a trans person in a bathroom.

Look, trans people are going to be harassed no matter what bathroom they use. It's sad but true. Because our society is fucked and hates GNC people in general. If it's going to happen, shouldn't they at least have their own safe spaces? This is what I and other radical feminists advocate for; not depriving transwomen of safe spaces, but giving them their own exclusive safe spaces AND also providing exclusive safe spaces for female-bodied people. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

"In the same way that if all bathrooms were for "straights" or "other" and you had to find an "other" bathroom for yourself, everyone would know you're gay because you can't use the straight room."

This is not comparable, because there is no biological difference between a cis lesbian and cis heterosexual women. While they can potentially harm each other, they do not pose as much potential for harm as a male-bodied person would. This is why I get pissed off when people pretend biological sex isn't real, doesn't matter. It IS real and it DOES matter. Humans are a sexually dymorphic species (and before you bring up intersex people as a trump card; no the existence of intersex conditions does not make the species as a whole any less sexually dymorphic).

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mean harassment in the bathroom. I mean harassment outside of the bathroom. If a trans person is stealth and everyone sees him or her go into the GN bathroom 100% of the time, it's a dead giveaway that "outs" them and a signal for bigots to harass them, in the same way that a straights or other bathroom would "out" gay people.

Please read the comment with that expanded context, as it makes your argument here not apply.

Unless you have given up on the idea of reducing harassment against trans people, which I would hope not, as you appear to care for the reduction of harassment of other groups.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately, you're rugjt. I can't think of any solution to that. But the solution can't be to compromise the safety of female-bodied people in exchange for keeping transwomen safe. It isn't right. There has to be a way to keep everyone safe, and I sincerely hope someone more creative than me comes up with it.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

I replied below as well with an example of why an explicitly labeled safe space could be a dangerous thing. I wish I could give you a solution to this problem that doesn't involve any side being hurt or chosen above another, but I don't know either. All I know is neither GN bathrooms nor banning trans people from the bathrooms of their current gender identity are the solution to this.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

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For example there is very little use in having a "gay/lesbian safe space" on a conservative campus that hates gays/lesbians. Anyone that uses it is painting a target on their back. Some people don't want to do that, but a GN bathroom would force them to by law.