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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-10-05 07:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #3563 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3563 ⌋

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Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-06 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
I don't mean harassment in the bathroom. I mean harassment outside of the bathroom. If a trans person is stealth and everyone sees him or her go into the GN bathroom 100% of the time, it's a dead giveaway that "outs" them and a signal for bigots to harass them, in the same way that a straights or other bathroom would "out" gay people.

Please read the comment with that expanded context, as it makes your argument here not apply.

Unless you have given up on the idea of reducing harassment against trans people, which I would hope not, as you appear to care for the reduction of harassment of other groups.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-06 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately, you're rugjt. I can't think of any solution to that. But the solution can't be to compromise the safety of female-bodied people in exchange for keeping transwomen safe. It isn't right. There has to be a way to keep everyone safe, and I sincerely hope someone more creative than me comes up with it.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-06 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
I replied below as well with an example of why an explicitly labeled safe space could be a dangerous thing. I wish I could give you a solution to this problem that doesn't involve any side being hurt or chosen above another, but I don't know either. All I know is neither GN bathrooms nor banning trans people from the bathrooms of their current gender identity are the solution to this.

Re: ^ This is literally cultish behaviour.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-06 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
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For example there is very little use in having a "gay/lesbian safe space" on a conservative campus that hates gays/lesbians. Anyone that uses it is painting a target on their back. Some people don't want to do that, but a GN bathroom would force them to by law.