[ SECRET POST #3567 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3567 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

My understanding is that people have added context around various comic tropes that makes them problematic not individually but as a pattern. For example, Gail Simone has raised a lot of awareness about the "disposable superheroine" trope in comics where prominent female characters will get depowered or killed for the Epic Drama. The Killing Joke is part of this problematic pattern, but it also has the distinction of being Actually Good. (In fact, this seems to be a pattern with Alan Moore. A lot of the tropes featured in his graphic novels annoy me and I always think I'll be bugged when I read a work of his but then I'm just left at the end being like, "... Darn it, it's... actually good." To the extent it still features tropes I like, I am annoyed, but my overall impression is just impressed.)

With the Killing Joke especially, the elements featured in the story, the contrast/mirroring of Batman and Joker's backstories/psyche, the ambiguous ending, etc. all were pretty novel at the time (or so I hear?). But when you have people remaking the Killing Joke, you don't get any of that novelty and instead you just get a replay of a fairly traumatic story for women where women somehow manage to be fairly incidental to the story overall. Remaking the Killing Joke takes it out of the context it was made in (where it shined) and puts it in a different context where it has no novelty (like, even someone who is familiar with modern incarnations of Batman like the Nolan movies but HAVEN'T read The Killing Joke will still find something familiar in this portrayal of Batman and the Joker) but still has the problematic aspects. The story is still great, but replaying it seems gratuitous.