[ SECRET POST #3575 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3575 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You don't seem to have read much or any of their site. They make it very clear that they have a Western viewpoint and no intent besides making anime accessible to Western feminist fans. And at the same time they definitely acknowledge female artists in Japan, even beyond anime and manga (example, though with borderline NSFW image: http://www.animefeminist.com/review-what-is-obscenity-vagina-kayaks-pussy-and-the-law/ )

I was skeptical at first too, but unlike you, I actually read the site to see if my skepticism was founded.

[iggy]

I read the site. I'm still completely wary. Their review of Keijo, for one, put me totally off. That they'd dismiss another show with a seemingly compelling pair of female protagonists because of one unecessary shower scene (Izetta), but seemed to go out of their way to praise Keijo as not that bad (it has body diversity! okay what), was beyond silly. They keep going on about how they have more male supporters than female. It might be because a lot of women are actually turned off by their approach.

And their insistence that this kind of site is something that isn't really done when female anime fans have been running blogs like this for years upon years is false and patronizing.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you read the follow up explanation about why they were okay with Keijo and not Izetta? It's because Keijo doesn't pretend it's not just a stupid fanservice show, so people who don't like that kind of thing can easily avoid it. OTOH they say Izetta is the type of show that's summary sounds like it's perfect for someone who wants an awesome female-focused show, then unexpectedly throws in fanservice at inappropriate moments. Even if they're brief and the rest of the show makes it worth it for some people, for other people it can ruin the entire thing because they had high expectations and were let down when it went there even for just a minute or two.

I don't think they're trying to tell you what to watch or judge whether a show "is" feminist. I'm still going to watch Izetta because I can handle a little annoying fanservice here and there, but it's nice to know to expect it. It's just summaries for people who want to know what to expect before getting into a show, coupled with the reviewers' personal opinions.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. I've seen that kind of thing before, and I think it's a bullshit explanation? I get the frustration with that happening (to be fair to Izetta though, having seen episodes two and three I don't recall any similar moments in them, but being that the reviewer was going off about phallic guns I guess she considers that alone enough), but the idea that Keijo deserves to be treated as anything but trash from a feminist lens is imo laughable. And if you do enjoy it despite that, at least admit as much and stop trying to justify it. We're not THAT desperate for sports anime starring women. And that's not even a 'western feminist' thing. In fact, I'd argue it's much more a western feminist thing to even consider looking for value in a thing like Keijo.

I actually read a parody post making fun of things like the Kill la Kill is feminist powerpoints of yore featuring Keijo, and this review ended up reading similar to it, so that was kind of telling to me.

I don't really care about her opinion on Izetta individually as a show (I am enjoying the show personally, but not to the point I'd take personal offense at someone disliking it), but it does bug that she pretty much dismissed a show entirely for one instance of fanservice and then has made sure to assure us over and over how she doesn't hate Keijo, etc.

Again, I actually do think it's telling that the female patreon supporters are on the lower side. I have a pretty wide field of female anime fan friends, and we're by no means all likeminded, but I know a lot of them would be super turned off by many things about her approach to the site from what we've seen so far. Maybe some of her other contributors will provide better content, but so far, she's not cutting it, and her kotaku interview didn't impress either. I am all about anime reviews written for women by women, and I actively seek them out, but she's sent out so many red flags so far.

[iggy]

above was me. Not sure how I got signed out.

[(Anonymous)]

It's because Keijo doesn't pretend it's not just a stupid fanservice show, so people who don't like that kind of thing can easily avoid it. OTOH they say Izetta is the type of show that's summary sounds like it's perfect for someone who wants an awesome female-focused show, then unexpectedly throws in fanservice at inappropriate moments.

I am not familiar with the shows in question, but this argument definitely sounds like horseshit just on the face of it