[ SECRET POST #3580 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3580 ⌋

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Comments

[tabaqui]

I'm completely confused. How does 21 kudos (not a lot) and 65 hits = author is upping her own kudos count?

On a current fic of mine, the story has: Kudos: 195 Hits: 5389, and 130 of those kudos are left by 'guests'.

Does that imply to you that I 'kudo'ed myself 130 times? I'm just baffled.

[(Anonymous)]

MTE.

There are many lurkers as well as people who just don't care about getting an account because they only visit AO3 when someone links them to a specific fic, and seeing how many authors promote their fic on tumblr...

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention the many, many people who are never going to put their username behind kudos on incest, consent issues, etc. But they read the hell out of them. Oh, how they read them.

[tabaqui]

HA! There is that. I kudo if i like, i don't care what my name is 'attached' to, but i suppose some people are touchy about it.

[(Anonymous)]

DA I write a pairing that tumblr loves to hate. I regularly get e-mails that are.

McUsername and NameHere left kudos on Fic 1
McUsername and NameHere left kudos on Fic 2
2 guests left kudos on (Pairing)Fic 3
McUsername and NameHere left kudos on Fic 4

3/4ths of the bookmarks on them are secret bookmarks too. I sort of feel like Robin Hood, except that comparison doesn't work perfectly with no stealing involved, giving up named kudos and public recognition to provide fic to the pairing-poor.

Also once I saw someone with an unusual username give a kudo, delete it, then a guest kudo appeared and someone with the same username made a post on tumblr in the main tags about how gross and abusive Pairing is. Uh huh.

[tabaqui]

That's amazingly lame, that last bit.

I don't care if someone leaves an anonymous kudo or 'named' kudo, but I don't get why people just don't own their damn kinks.

[tabaqui]

This.

I guess it's been explained below, but who knows? If this ratio 'disparity' happens on *all* this person's fic, then I suppose it's a thing, but i honestly don't even notice the number of hits and kudos on the stuff i read.

[ariakas]

Look at the numbers on those, though.

21/65 = roughly one kudo per three hits, which is insanely high.

195/5389 = roughly one kudo per forty hits, which is a perfectly normal number.

In my experience, a very good fic will have around a one kudo per ten hits ratio, at most. More than that and something fishy's going on (might not necessarily be someone kudo'ing themselves, might just be a clique or a small but beloved-by-its-fans rarepair who kudo literally everything written for it).

Only way to know for sure is to click on it for yourself, I suppose. That said, if it's trash, it's annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

this. it's a crazy ratio for an 86 word fic

[tabaqui]

I have honestly never noticed the ratio of kudos to hits on the fic i read, and don't really pay attention to it much on my own fic, either. I mean - some fic out there has tons of both and they still suck, so it just doesn't seem like a reliable way to judge a fic, you know?

It's all down to fandom, pairing, and current fandom tastes, in my mind.

Thanks for the explanation!

[(Anonymous)]

It varies for me, depending on the fandom and what I'm writing.

I do a rare pair in a popular fandom? Very low overall hits, but the kudos to hit ratio is high - people who are interested in that pair tend to be generous with praise. Entry number thirty in a plotty series? The current ratio is around 1/5. (They're hooked, the poor babies.) Again, relatively low hit count, but... And if I do a one-shot with the fandom work horses? Closer to that 1/10.

I have to admit, it's always the tiny, weird stories getting kudos that pleases me most.

[ariakas]

Yeah you absolutely do have to take the fandom, pairing, genre, fic type, etc., into account. (But once all of those are factored in, it often is down to quality >>)

My highest kudo-to-hit-ratio fic is also around 1/5 but it's a short but absolutely gut-punching fic for a rarepair. Whereas my popular pairing epic has 100x the hits, but only a ratio around 1/10 because a) you can only kudo a fic once even if it's multi-chapter, and b) people re-reread it and you can only kudo once from an IP address, whereas it counts all hits.

That said there is of course no accounting for taste. I've seen fics with a ton of kudos that were an absolute dumpster fire imo but schmoopy or angsty or porny in spades.

[(Anonymous)]

"I've seen fics with a ton of kudos that were an absolute dumpster fire imo but schmoopy or angsty or porny in spades."

Yeah, something I've noticed in fanfic land - hitting popular narrative kinks will absolutely drive the kudos up, above objectively decent prose.

Who am I to judge people enjoying themselves and letting the writer know?

[(Anonymous)]

Not the OP, but I think they're talking about the ratio. 1/3 (32%) of the new people clicking on the story leaving kudos seems like a lot. With my own most popular fic, I'm at about 1/20 (5%) leaving kudos (most of them between 2-3% ratio of hits to kudos). Yours above is a little less than 1/25 or 4%. So that seems a bit more normal for AO3.

[tabaqui]

I suppose, though if it's a small/rare fandom where stuff is hard to find, I imagine finding *anything* would make fans kudo it just to be encouraging....

I honestly don't notice kudos and hits on the fic i read.

Thanks for explaining!

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

It does vary from fandom to fandom, a lot. But in this specific case, the author in question's fics are getting kudos at a rate that's wildly, wildly disproportionate to the rest of the fandom in question.

(not OP but it's not like it's hard to figure out what they're talking about)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm at about a 1/12 kudos/hits ratio, but I think that's because my fandom is a kudos-leaving bunch of people. I do have one of the top 10 fics, so that leads people to read the other ones in that fandom, which is huge. Often someone leaves kudos on 8 stories or something.

[(Anonymous)]

I wondered this too.

Most of the kudos I received on my fics were to be identifiable, logged-in users ... once upon a time. That was at least 3-4 years ago, though. Nowadays almost all the kudos I receive are anonymous. I'm guessing people are less and less inclined to log in before kudos-ing or leaving comments? (And no, I didn't self-kudos.)

[tabaqui]

I do get a good proportion of anon kudos, but it *seems* the balance is still mostly names. But I don't really pay much attention.

I don't ever log out of my accounts unless some reboot forces it, but i guess some people don't have that luxury.