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[ SECRET POST #3580 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3580 ⌋

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Just pretend he is played by Nathan Fillion, that seems to be enough to get most people to overlook that sort of unfortunate implications.

Not every government vs. rebels fictional war represents the US Civil War. Considering who the Alience were and who the Browncoats were, I think that's a pretty faulty comparison for Firefly.

I think they're talking about how Mr Fillion boasted and laughed about having a famous slaver as an ancestor.

Oh, I had not heard about that. Assumed they were talking about Firefly. That's really gross. Why would you be proud of that?

Why do people wear the confederate flag proudly?

Some bullshit about "Southern Pride" or some such.

Yup. I just don't get it. My dad is from Alabama and a huge chunk of his family is like that. I hate spending time there. It is awful and I'm embarrassed to be seen out with them because they aren't shy about saying racist things very loudly.

I don't get any of it, Like, do they believe they were actually there? Like they didn't fight and die for anything, but they look at these old racist fighting and dieing and the feel proud like it's something they achieved.

I don't understand any of it. It's not their flag. It's the dead flag of old dead guys that don't deserve to be honored.

I talked about it a little below (sorry to reply to this thread so many times but all this stuff is hugely fascinating to me) but:

basically, there was an extreme, concerted effort after the Civil War to lionize the Confederacy as heroes, and to hide the fact that it was fought in order to preserve slavery. Talking about it as "The War Of Northern Aggression" and stuff like that. It's really, really interesting, actually, in addition to being a profound historical shame for the US.

Probably because what actually happened was that he offered it as a point of interest in an interview, because the historical figure in question had the exact same name as a bounty hunter on the show. It wasn't a boast, it was a "and here is this weird coincidence".

The thing with Firefly isn't that every government vs rebels fictional war represents the Civil War, it's that Firefly is a space Western and the Western genre is very explicitly a post-Civil War genre. If Firefly didn't go out of its way to invoke the Western genre, it would be a lot easier to say it's a faulty comparison. But when you're going out of your way to set up a Western thing, I think there's a lot less plausible deniability.

The other thing is that it's complicated to talk about "faulty comparisons" here. Is it a faulty comparison compared to the actual historical reality of the Confederacy and the USA? Absolutely. But it's a lot closer to the way that post-Civil War apologists for the Confederacy understood it, which is the worldview that shaped the Western as a genre. So again, I think it's more complicated than that.

This is sadly true.

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