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[personal profile] feotakahari 2016-11-01 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I can't see it either. Giles needs someone at the same maturity level as him, and maturity was never Buffy's strong suit.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a different kind of power imbalance in their relationship than in usual father/daughter relationships. Also, she has a father who raised her until she was 15. Giles never expected to be a father figure to her and she didn't expect or want him to be. He was both more and less than that. I love those things about their relationship but I can see it being a major turn-off for someone.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Canon may not be explicit about whether or not she sees him as her father figure, but it certainly is explicit that he sees her as a daughter. I'm not sure what you mean by power imbalance, but I do think that if you are going to write the pairing, you can't just ignore what canon makes pretty clear. You have to deal with it somehow.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually canon is explicit that he views her as his Slayer. And also that she wants him to be the stand in for her absent father, but only when it is to her immediate benefit.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Uh, disagree. If nothing else, there is the episode where he is fired as her watcher because of his caring for her like a daughter. But I think it is actually obvious earlier, at least from the season 1 final where he's prepared to go after the Master instead of her. And there is the way he tries to train her too hard, not because she's the Slayer, but because he knows what she's up against and cares for her. That isn't just watcher/slayer, that's familial.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we have different ideas about what being the slayer and being a watcher are. I personally view it as far more than a parent/child relationship, hence there being a different kind of power imbalance.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
But don't they have to send their slayer off to a super dangerous, could get them killed trial? Am I remembering that correctly? Because if so, slayers and watchers are typically not very parent/child.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 08:00 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty much. I sometimes wonder if the people who view their relationship as parent/child saw the same show I did. We're all going to have our own interpretations but the show hit on the lore of slayers, watchers, and their relationships often enough that I'm not sure how so many people completely missed all of it.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
It wasn't Giles in that scene who said he had father's love for her, it was Travers, and I think POV matters here. Father/Daughter relationship is what made sense to Travers, but from Buffy's and Giles' POV, their relationship is much more complicated than that.

Just the nature of the Watcher/Slayer makes it more nuanced. It's a rare parent who sends their kid to their possible death every night.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
Just the nature of the Watcher/Slayer makes it more nuanced. It's a rare parent who sends their kid to their possible death every night.

Yes, this. In fact, that's probably the polar opposite of parent behavior -- more likened, I suppose, to a gladiator trainer in a slave system where the gladiator trainer is also on a low run of the social ladder. Or, in modern times, transmuted into something less deadly, like being a corporate law firm partner to an associate assigned to you.

Sure, you can be as good as you like to these kids. But the ultimate thing you must do, YOUR JOB, is that they perform.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this!

Not to mention, it's made very clear that Travers has very little clear understanding of what it actually means to be watcher/slayer. So it's very obvious that his interpretation of 'a father's love' is WAY off. It boggles my mind that anyone who watched the show could take his statement at face-value, knowing how wrong he is.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
This is exactly how I view the show's take on their relationship.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
you can't just ignore what canon makes pretty clear

Sure you can.
deird1: Buffy and Giles looking at each other (Buffy Giles)

[personal profile] deird1 2016-11-02 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Canon may not be explicit about whether or not she sees him as her father figure

I'd say asking him to walk her down the aisle is a pretty decent clue.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, you're using an episode where Buffy was completely under some ridiculous spell as evidence of her true feelings? She was going to marry Spike, for gods sake. The whole point of that spell was that it modified her true feelings.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
"...you can't just ignore what canon makes pretty clear."

You knew to fandom, anon? ;)

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. You clearly have a very different interpretation of canon than the people you're arguing with. And that's the whole problem with your extremely black and white view - it's YOUR view. I'm not 'ignoring canon' - I watched the same show you did and see things extremely differently and I'm taking all of my cues from the same canon.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't ship it then. But don't bug those of us who like the possibility.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-01 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
...they're not bugging anyone.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
+1

Im ship-and-let-ship kinda gal but it bugs me when the I don't get the same courtesy from others. Besides, Buffy/Giles fandom is a small and quiet one, and also one of the chillest fandom I've ever been. We generally don't shove our ship down anyone's throats.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
How is posting a secret bugging those that do? OP wouldn't have a clue how many of us ship the pairing.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
For the record, it grosses Buffy out, too.

It's not like there aren't several reasonable canon ships for Giles.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-02 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
In a way I get why people ship Buffy/Giles. They share a mission, they're borderline fated for each other (in a watcher/slayer capacity), plus there's the whole messed up, tragic angle where his job is basically to encourage her to submit to a job that will kill her while simultaneously training her to survive.

That all makes for a super interesting dynamic, and if the show were a very, very different version of itself, I could definitely see shipping it.

But with the show as it stands, yeah, Buffy/Giles is a NOTP for me too.

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