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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-11-03 06:27 pm

[ SECRET POST #3592 ]


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I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Say you're a person who a) believes reuniting with your loved ones in heaven is a thing, and b) doesn't believe polygamy is religiously acceptable. Now let's say you fall in love and marry person 1, but person 1 dies young. Eventually you fall in love again with person 2 and remarry, but even though you love 2 now, you'll always love 1 as well. Which do you end up with in heaven?

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that would depend on, like, a lot of other things. there's no one answer.

THAT SAID: I think most people would say one of two things. On the one hand, some people might consider the polygamous marriage a severe enough matter as to be incompatible with attaining heaven. On the other hand, if you don't think that's the case, I imagine you would say that you would be reunited with both spouses, in much the same way that you would be reunited with both spouses if one spouse died and you subsequently remarried. And that the polygamous marriage is not proper or valid in mortal terms but that heaven is in some sense a dissolving of earthly relations anyway.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Matt 22:23-31 has Jesus talking about the resurrection and "who will be married to who." A very interesting read.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I responded below, but I'd also point out that we're not necessarily talking about Christianity, although the language seems pretty Christian-influenced.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Matthew 22:30 (New International Version): "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."

Not an issue, it looks like.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

That does kind of conflict with a conception of heaven where you're reunited with your loved ones at all, though

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, you can be "reunited" without being reunited, I think. If that makes sense. You can be with them without being with them in a marital relationship.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I think "like the angels in heaven" drives towards something much less personal and human, and I think that's - at least - a supportable interpretation if we're going by Christian scripture. It doesn't align with the common or the folk understanding of the afterlife, at all, but it's supportable in scripture.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember reading the context for that for the first time:

"That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Jesus and questioned Him. “Teacher,” they said, “Moses declared that if a man dies without having children, his brother is to marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died without having children. So he left his wife to his brother. The same thing happened to the second and third brothers, down to the seventh. And last of all, the woman died. In the resurrection, then, whose wife will she be of the seven? For all of them were married to her.”

Jesus replied, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven."

And I remember being really glad that she wouldn't have to stick with any of them after death, because that poor lady needed a break.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-04 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
LOL! I like the way you think.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I would think you can be reuinted with someone without being married to them again. The marriage is ended by death, yeah? "Till Death Do us Part" and all that.
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Re: I'm confused about something.

[personal profile] sarillia 2016-11-03 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That was the stance of the pastor I went through confirmation with.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
OTOH, I think it could potentially be awkward. "Hey, honey, you're with me now... oh, uh, you remarried... cool..."

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, I think if I were this potential dead person I would have had quite some times to come to terms with it and understand, unless you were that hardline about marriage being an eternal bond.
And really, would romantic relationships the way we think of them (living together, having sex, being married) need to exist in heaven at all?

(Also if we are going by my original logic of till death do us part once you get to heaven you aren't married to your second spouse either anyway.)

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been confused by this one as well. I believe in heaven myself (although I'm not terribly religious), and... I suppose I see the afterlife as transcending those sorts of relationships? So perhaps even for the devout, it's very much the same.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-03 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-04 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT, but I do love that quote.
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Re: I'm confused about something.

[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2016-11-04 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
This is actually explained somewhere in the bible, afaik from Catholic school, I recall, and it's basically that people in heaven are "brothers and sisters" not lovers, so provided you all go to heaven, you would be with both of them, but non-romantically.

Re: I'm confused about something.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-04 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I thought everyone us supposed to be like Shakers heaven or something.