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⌈ Secret Post #472 ⌋

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Firstly, there's the reverse jossing, as I mentioned. What with both the creators and the fans being on LJ, the likelihood of the creators seeing the fanfic is higher. I don't know about them, but if I read a fanfic that basically described something that I was planning to happen at a later date in the canon, I'd be at least mildly annoyed.

Secondly, and related quite closely to the first, the comic has canon gay. The storyline of the comic is the relationship between the characters. I have not seen a single fanfic that's brought anything new to this, except the sexual aspect. I, personally, don't see the point to that. The creators themselves are exploring exactly the aspect of the canon that you're writing. So why do you need to write it? They're the creators - they're gonna do it better, more in character, and with more cohesion to the verse than you, because they're the creators.

This is different from most other things that have a fandom, because largely the things being explored by the writers are not canon. Ensemble mangas have minor characters who get explored, relationships between two characters who have only so far had one conversation, the turn a sexual aspect to a relationship might make between two characters - who are very unlikely to canonically take that turn themselves.

Also, these things usually go on for years and years. I doubt HoneySyn will be going that long, especially considering they stated themselves that they had planned for it to end at the last chapter. I don't see why people can't just wait, see what aspects haven't been explored in the canon, and then write about it.

Both creators, however, have given their ok with fanfic. Hell, I've had schumie read some of mine. Miss nuu herself gave me the okay when I proposed the kink meme. I've talked to both about fic, ideas, AUs, etc., and every single time they've only ever been more than supportive of everything.

And the canon gay is, at least for me, absolutely beside the point. And I completely don't see the wrong in exploring a canon sexual relationship between the characters. If a fic is nothing but sex, I can understand, but even NC-17 rated stories have potential to be more. Character studies, if you will. Or maybe the writer wants to describe a certain event in canon from the perspective of another character; I've done that myself. And I still don't see your point about the creators doing it 'better, more in character, and with more cohesion to the verse;' again, how is that different from most anything else with a fandom? The fans will never get it completely right. But they can try.

And again: still don't see your point. It seems like you're saying that all the fics that have been written - all the fics that can be written - haven't explored things that 'are not canon.' Which is false. I've seen a fairytale AU. I've seen scenes written from the POV of another. I've seen one version of 'what might Charles and Jay have been getting up to while everything else was going on (which, to be fair, is something that will probably be explored in chapter six, but how is that any different than, say, someone writing Harry/Ginny Harry Potter fic in 2002?). I've seen fics that revolve around Josh and May's mothers (hell, I've written a May/Josh's Mom fic before). I've got plans for everything from Godzilla fic, to 'what if May were a vaudeville stripper fic' (where, most likely, I actually won't be exploring the sexual relationships between characters), to Jay-has-a-phobia-of-sex fic (okay, maybe in this one a little). It seems like your whole point is based on the assumption that the fans aren't creative enough to explore even the tiny mentions of an event or character in canon, or that AUs are beside the point, etc. Which is absolutely false.

And, well, maybe HoneySyn won't go on for years and years. But it has been around for a year and a half. With the way updates are going, and the average length of chapters, even if it ends at chapter six there will at least be roughly five more months of updates. If there's more, it'll be pushing the 2+ year mark. That makes for a fairly respectable length of time, doesn't it? Like I said: just don't see your point.

To be fair, I know my opinion on this is verging on, well, irrational. Not in the sense that I'm overly angry or worked up over it, but that I know that as an argument, it's standing is weak at best.

I suppose the canon gay is important because a lot of people, including myself, first got involved in fanfic for pretty much the sole reason of putting boy A with boy B. They could've done it for the relationship/interaction aspect, they could've done it for the hardcore gay porn. But that's why they did it. So, I guess there's a small inherent thing saying 'why bother, they're already together.' Being someone who also (now) writes fanfic for canon pairings in other things, I know this sounds bad. But I can say the difference is the fandoms I write those pairings for, the canon has finished. The things I write are things set after the canon ended. The case of AUs here are completely out of the point, as my issue is fanfic vs canon, and AUs, by definition, intentionally do away with at least some aspect of the canon. AUs don't bother me in the slightest.

It probably has something to do with my attitude as a fic writer - I do not like being jossed. Currently one of the fandoms I write for is soon to fill in a large area of previously unexplored time with events which will then be the canon, and there is no way they will be anything near to what I wrote (ah, the pitfalls of being a slash writer), and yeah, I have to admit, it smarts a little. You shrug it off and get on with it, but I would never go looking for that feeling. And that's what I see in the HoneySyn fandom, although the potential for even the small things that may stand seperately - small interactions or character aspects one may slide in, fanon, if you will - being jossed is way greater due to the canon gay. Although that's not really fair to say. Even if the characters/storyline were heterosexual/whatever, I would be exactly the same, as I am and have been in the past. I avoid writing any pairing seriously/at length that I could see becoming potentially canon or potentially disproved in canon in any fandom, gay or het.

I know a lot of writers aren't like this; I know a lot are. And it's probably due to encountering HoneySyn fic a lot recently that I ended up feeling this way towards that rather than... anything else ever.

Sorry, this went on a bit and ended up rather unstructured - it was in writing it that I realised what was my actual problem. Previously it has been a ambiguous feeling I get whenever I encountered HoneySyn fic, and couldn't tamp down or label.

No, no, I have absolutely no problem with you disliking the fact that HoneySyn fic exists in and of itself. To me, it does seem irrational, but 'ambiguous feelings' typically are, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I guess it is hard for me to understand the 'fanfic for the sole reason of putting boy A with boy B,' because I'm the sort who's in it more for the characters, and the fact that they're boy/boy is incidental (sdlfjsdf to tell the truth I sort of missed the warnings about it being slash until, like, the beginning of chapter three *BLUSHBLUSH* of course, being a fan of slash along with most everything else under the sun, I was pretty excited, because I'd rarely ever seen a shounen-ai comic as well done). And I'm also the sort who thinks the 'after-they-hook-up' is just as interesting as the 'while-they're-still-in-denial.' There are a thousand relationship ups-and-downs that I'd love to see explored that probably won't be in canon (meeting the parents, differences in sexual taste, moving in together, issues of 'much ado about nothing;' I love it all).

And yeah; I can understand the feeling of not liking being jossed. I personally don't mind, because I've learned to consider almost everything I write at least vaguely AU anyway, and I entered into fic-writing knowing perfectly well that canon would probably prove plenty of it false. And hell, my favorite HoneySyn fic (the 'what the hell were Jay and Charles up to in the meanwhile') will probably be made AU with the events of chapter six, but hey. What-if scenarios are fun. But I can definitely get why some people wouldn't like it, and there's nothing wrong with that.

No, it's no problem; my response wasn't exactly the most structured, either (in fact it's kind of all-over-the-place sdklfsdf). But I can definitely understand better now, I think. It's a lot easier for me to understand if you're wary of HS fic because of a personal dislike of jossing, etc. (sdlf;lsdf goodness knows I dislike a few things for no other reason than because they just feel wrong to me).

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