[ SECRET POST #3603 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3603 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I think writing good villains (or adapting villains well) would require taking risks that Marvel doesn't have any interest in taking. Everything about their movies in the last, like, 5 years has been dominated by risk-averseness.

[philstar22]

This seems to be a pretty common opinion. Personally I like most of them, even as someone who has never read the comics. They don't get a whole ton of scenes, but for most of them I think there is enough to understand their motives.

[kallanda_lee]

TBH, a lot f those villains were pretty bland in the comics too, especially in the early days.

And Netflix has the opportunity to do characters development over 10+ episodes, but everything is very tight storytelling-wise in the MCU.

[philstar22]

So much agreed to the second one. In a movie, you can't have too many scenes just about the villains, especially multi-hero movies or origin stories that need to get us to understand the heroes and root for them. Marvel concentrates on making their heroes complex while giving us just enough to understand the villain's motivations. I think it make sense that they do it that way.

[kallanda_lee]

Yeah, I don't see another way unless they make the villain the main character.

[(Anonymous)]

But for instance, the first Thor movie has a villain with lots of scenes and even character development and most people still probably rooted for Thor and his pals and not Loki, didn't they? I personally rooted for Loki because he was more sympathetic and likable than Thor and I always root for my favorite characters no matter how evil and wrong they are (that's what fiction is for, isn't it), but I'm sure most people didn't.

Marvel already has a movie with a complex and interesting villain, it can be done. They just choose to stick to generic one dimensional "I want power" villains because it's safer.

[philstar22]

I think the difference with Loki and the other villains is that Loki, as Thor's brother, is tied to his story. So they could weave them both together and have villain scenes while still keeping the focus on the hero. I didn't find Loki sympathetic at all personally, but I do think that the reason they were able to do it differently was because Loki lived in Asgard and was tied to Thor in a way the other villains weren't tied to their hero.

[nightscale]

I'd also argue that the heroes were very one-dimensional back then too, superhero comics really have changed a lot over the years to allow their heroes to be flawed and their villains to have reasons for their villainy outside of 'because the plots needs them to be'.

But I do also think that the shows mostly allow for their villains to get more development and aren't quite as bog-standard as the movies, though I do very much enjoy some of the movie villains and have been meh over some TV ones.

[dethtoll]

To be fair to Thanos he was actually an entertaining and interesting villain from early on. The Infinity Saga is easily one of his greatest moments, and the MCU has clearly been building up to an adaptation of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I agree with you about the movie villains but I from what I've seen the TV shows aren't any better at writing morally gray characters, just better at being ~edgy and ~gritty about it. The movies are FULL of morally gray characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Marvel's villains are pretty bland, I agree. My exceptions are Magneto & Loki & Magneto's not even MCU. It's not that I hate the rest of the villains, I just really don't care.

[iggy]

You're not wrong. MCU is dominated by one movie villains, so they don't really commit to them. Thanos may have ended up better because Infinity War was going to be two flicks, but I guess it's back down to one now? So now the only big multi-movie villain we have is Loki, and frankly he's not that great.

Anyway, Marvel's real signature villain is Doctor Doom, and I imagine they would have been dedicated to fleshing him out in the MCU, but the MCU doesn't have rights to him as he's tied down with the Fantastic 4 and Fox.

That being said, as noted above, Marvel concentrates more on fleshing out their heroes than making their villains noteworthy, and I think that's fine. I kind of prefer it, and it's one of the reasons their recent decisions to make movies like Civil War that are so packed with characters no one has room to breathe frustrate me. I do think it's a decision they've outright made. I think they probably decided on it early on, because the first couple of movies; Iron Man, Hulk, and Iron Man 2, didn't feature well known villains at all (Obadiah Stan, Whiplash, and Abomination).

[arcadiaego]

I used to enjoy that they concentrated on the heroes, I agree. Recently everything seems devoted to selling the next movie though.

[(Anonymous)]

Marvel isn't really known for having super interesting villains/rogues galleries outside of spidey's and he's mostly off limits to begin with.

It would also help if they stopped killing them off at the end of each movie or just wasting their potential from the start (see: Ronan, who is an incredibly complex character but got reduced to being Thanos' pawn just because?? Honestly as much as I loved GOTG I'm upset how much of Annihilation, Conquest, and Thanos Imperitave had to be sacrificed in the name of Infinity Gauntlet)

[(Anonymous)]

Everybody thinks this, really. Loki's the only one who seems threatening at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I think especially with Thanos, most of the problem is that they keep TELLING us how scary and menacing he is but we haven't seen it. At all. Like there's nothing about the guy that says scary as of yet.

There are a few villains I loved in the comics that they've basically kneecapped in the movies (or killed off) and that's really disappointing too.

[arcadiaego]

I think villains have always been the MCU's real flaw, and I'm not sure why it keeps happening. Maybe it's because they're so busy setting up the origin stories of the heroes? But even in sequels there's the same problem. The exception is Loki, but he's not 100% in a villain role. But it's very frustrating to me that they repeatedly cast interesting actors in those parts and then waste them.