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⌈ Secret Post #3613 ⌋

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[Project Runway + various reality shows]


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[sex scene from The Wolf of Wall Street]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Here's my stance on this whole business: Cornelius is very insecure. He's genuinely a mean person, which we've seen throughout the show, and I don't believe for a second that he should get a pass on all his shit-talking and bullying just because of the Erin and Dexter episode. I feel like Erin and Dexter tried to vote him out because he's genuinely unpleasant to work with, but, unfortunately, they didn't have the guts to come out and say that, and by trying to attack his work ethic to legitimize their decision (even though he's honestly very skilled when it comes to his designs), they set themselves up to have their arguments picked apart when Cornelius got angry and defensive. Tim Gunn interpreted what happened to Cornelius as bullying because of how upset he got and because Tim has only ever seen him in critiques and on stage, so he saved him, not being aware that Erin and Dexter were in the right to not want him around.

Cornelius should have gone home. Tim wasted his save on someone who manipulated him into staying. Erin and Dexter were clearly trying not to make the whole thing personal, but all Cornelius ever does is personally attack people. It's fucked up that everyone's on in his side. Like, I'm glad the editors kept Erin and Dexter likeable in the first half of the season rather than set them up as villains, because on paper it seems like that should make the viewer more sympathetic to them when the drama finally hit the screen. But. Didn't work.

I'm very passionate about this drama apparently.

[(Anonymous)]

This is an interesting take on it, and there definitely could be some truth to it, but I still don't think D&E meant to make him feel bad in any way.
I don't think Cornelius is that mean either tbh, but I could definitely see how Dexter might feel that way, given that Cornelius was already badmouthing Dexter's designs after his good placement in the first challenge. They just started off on the wrong foot and never quite got along after that, which yeah, understandable. But mostly I see the bad team work as a communication failure.

100% agreed that Tim wasted his save just to make a point and because he felt sympathy, when in reality Cornelius should have already gone home in the previous episode when his atrociously made top somehow beat Brik's flawlessly made weird print outfit. and you're right that it's fucked up how everyone is on Corny's side AND sees the 'bullying' as a reason to attack D&E personally (especially Dexter, since he's easier to approach. Erin doesn't seem to have a Twitter account or it's a well hidden one).

Even Cornelius didn't use these hyperbolic expressions. It was all Tim ('mean girls', like... he wasn't even in the work room most of the time so how did he jump to that conclusion...?) and Kelly Osbourne ('bullying', which she btw has a habit of seeing everywhere - S14 team work episode AND RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars S1). It's like, just because these people used dramatic words, probably just to make more engaging tv, doesn't mean that the behavior seen in the episode actually fits any reasonable definition of those words :|

I'm obviously passionate about this drama too and happy to see someone else still on Dexter's side :)

^OP

[(Anonymous)]

sorry, forgot to add that the above message was from the OP!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't think Dexter and Erin tried to make him feel bad, either, and I'm sorry if I came off otherwise. I just personally believe that the two of them wanted him out because he's got a lot of negative energy, which we've seen in spades over this entire season, and it's much easier to vote out someone who brings you down rather than someone you're close to. The problem was just that Cornelius had good designs and insights that particular week so... they should have just said "he's hard to work with" rather than complaining about his aesthetic. They might have been called out for the reason not being good enough, sure, but I just feel like if they owned up to it they wouldn't be looking like so much of a clique.

I also don't believe for a second that Cornelius had to do "all the work" for that team. We've seen Dexter and Erin have fun in the work room, sure, but just because they have loud personalities when they hang out doesn't mean they're using up any more or less time than Cornelius whenever he went over to Nathalia's to talk shit about someone's clothes, you know? And yeah, Cornelius swapping his skirt over must have taken a lot of his time, sure, but I'm sure if he'd asked Dexter and Erin for help, they would have gladly given it. Teams have always helped each other in this show.

CAN I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT BRIK'S AWESOME PROBLEM PATTERN DRESS??? I. can not. believe. that that didn't score higher. I'm still angry! It was so good! Ugh. While I'm on the topic of Cornelius, though, his stupid emoji dress was garbage, I wish it hadn't won that week. Whatever. WHATEVER

Basically, yes. Lots of passion over here. I'm not attracted to Dexter in the least and Erin's actually my least favourite designer in the competition in terms of fashion, but I'm firmly of the belief that Tim wasted his save and that Dexter deserved better on his run of the show.

... Also I'm mad that Tim really vocally hates Gretchen from Season 8. I don't think she was a bad person or a "villain" and these are both things Tim has said about her. UGH PROJECT RUNWAY

[philstar22]

Ivy was the real villain of season 8, but Gretchen certainly started it. The way she and the others treated Michael C was shameful. At least Mondo apologized and realized that they had been wrong. I never once heard an apology from her, just her acting like the victim when Tim called her out. Tim is very protective of the designers and doesn't like when one attacks another, so I totally get why he doesn't like Gretchen. Ivy was a hundred times worse than Gretchen, though, and I wish Tim would remember that.

[(Anonymous)]

Ivy was insane. Gretchen had a bad attitude, and I'm not trying to defend that, but there are leagues of difference between someone having a bad attitude in a stressful environment and someone being a villain who didn't deserve to win. I feel like Gretchen was quietly confident and didn't really like working in teams, and people confused that with her being a bitch or being abrasive even before the drama started. It made her unpleasant behavior look much worse and I feel bad for her because a lot of the complaints against her feel like attacks on her personality rather than just the things she's done.

It's been years since I've seen it, though. Maybe I'll rewatch it and find that she's actually a monster. Who knows.