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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-11-24 05:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #3614 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3613 ⌋

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[Project Runway + various reality shows]


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[sex scene from The Wolf of Wall Street]


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[Ace Attorney]


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[personal profile] thelesbianfuturist 2016-11-25 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
Dammit, this isn't going to help my budding reputation as a feminazi...

Ok, so while I understand and respect what you're saying I think you are missing an important element: What kind of message does this send to young boys. Because While I see where you're coming from in that we shouldn't be teaching women to measure strength by the male standard, men and boys DO measure strength my the male standard. So the message they are taking away might well be that women can and will beat your ass like a drum if you act like a dickhead to them.

This isn't the worst message to give young boys.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-25 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Except it's a trope itself that when Strong Female Characters are abusive to men, the man isn't acting like a dickhead or doing anything wrong at all. Examples: Peggy shooting at Steve because some random woman kissed him before he could stop her; every time Astrid beat up Hiccup in HTTYD 1; every anime with a tsundere female love interest.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-25 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly!

(Anonymous) 2016-11-25 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Also there's a pretty icky sexual component to it, especially if it's slapping. You never see male characters slap each-other over a disagreement unless it's a 'sissy slap fight' It's not male-coded strength through violence at all.

It's the same way as a character bending another adult character over their knee and spanking them is geeeenerally not seen as normal male violence, even if it's a 'violent' act.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-25 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
and most of the discourse up above is because this picture doesn't meet the trope, it's a woman standing up for herself. Not a woman randomly grabbing a guy by the ear.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-25 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
So do you think the other main message this sends to young boys - that any time a woman physically abuses them, they have to laugh it off and shouldn't ever even think about reoporting it because it's just a big, giant joke - you think that message is great?
Also, the "woman hits man for comedy" is actually fucking sexist in itself - because weak little women can't possibly do any harm by beating a man up. If you like that message, sure, go ahead and support this shitty trope.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-26 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
No, the message they're taking away is that men can never be victims of abuse and that women can never be perpetrators of abuse. This mindset is surprisingly common. There's even prank videos that show the differences in how strangers will act towards scenes of male on female domestic violence (peopl get mad and step in) versus female on male domestic violence (people laugh and do nothing)