[ SECRET POST #3615 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3615 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's just that there's a little bitterness about the second group from the older branches of fandom who remember having to put thousand-word disclaimers on their fic for fear of being sued. Suddenly, fanworks aren't just acceptable, they're endorsed, and people who were once afraid of legal repercussions for their slashfic are now seeing other people raking in a living wage for theirs.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

"Suddenly, fanworks aren't just acceptable, they're endorsed, and people who were once afraid of legal repercussions for their slashfic are now seeing other people raking in a living wage for theirs."

Exactly.

Though to brutally honest...that's kind of their own problem. The people bitching in this thread are being utterly childish. Someone disagrees with their complaint and they're all "so I'm not ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION"

No. people just think your opinion is dumb or disagree. Grow up.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, all those disclaimers wouldn't have actually prevented anyone from being sued. That's not how copyright law works, at least not in the U.S. It does not say that it's okay to use other peoples' characters and work as long as you're explicit about it not belonging to you. I don't know why fandom believes that's a legit loophole.

[kallanda_lee]

It's not a legit loophole, people are just less likely to sue. the thing with copyright is it's never a problem unless someone actually calls you out on it, and companies can't be bothered to sue penniless college kids mostly.

[crossy_woad]

does anyone actually earn a living wage (or any sort of wage) from fanworks? i figured people earned a few extra dollars a month...at most enough to pay a bill if they got lucky

[(Anonymous)]

That depends on how you define "fanworks". There are professional writers who earn a living off writing in established universes (like Star Wars and Star Trek, movie/TV spinoff novels) or who write for canons in the public domain: Jane Austen, Sherlock Holmes, etc. Generally when these discussions come up, people don't consider this to be fanfiction... but it is. Just fanfiction that's either fair game or commissioned by the copyright holders.

[(Anonymous)]

DA This is what kind of drives me crazy about the "ethical" conversations about whether profiting off fanfic or fanart is right, in truth copyright law is very arbitrary and has been changed to become wayyyy more strict then it should be in recent years.

And as someone who's done things both in a fan way and in an official way, it's kind of same difference. If you get contacted by the people with the rights, it's great, but I also never would have gotten contacted by them if I hadn't done fanwork in the first place.

There are even cases where I did a fanwork first, and then that very piece got upgraded to something official. Companies are using fanwork for their benefit as well (typically they profit off it more then the fan as well.)

[(Anonymous)]

when i worked full-time on fandom and original (but mostly fandom) art commissions, I made about $600 a month. And I was fast, and pretty good, and in decent demand, and never had a hole in my schedule. I don't know if it's possible for people other than popular furry artists to make a living wage at doing commissions.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

and by full-time I mean about 50 hours a week - I did it for the fun *almost* as much as the profit, and I didn't have a job.

[(Anonymous)]

how much did you charge roughly and would you mind sharing an example of your work?

[(Anonymous)]

I've known people that have but it's not as common as someone might think.

Plus honestly when you take commissions from people, you're not always going to be getting fanwork. I have blogs that are largely full of fanart but I get everything from legit job offers to commissions of families and original characters.

I do sell fanart and do fanart commissions, but I don't really push it so it's usually only a certain percentage of my income. To make a living off it, you'd probably need to be a constant convention goer (and the people I know who do make a living are the convention goers.)

[(Anonymous)]

And I understand the emotion, but it's still a very silly complaint

[(Anonymous)]

There's probably also a lot of projection going on. You have people who want to be published authors or professional artists going around assuming that everyone else who writes fanfic or does fanart wants the same thing, so they get mad when they see people with talent not sharing those aspirations, or when they see people just farting around and not giving a shit whether they're good at it or improving "their craft."

It's like when people who hate their jobs tell me I should quit my job and become a baker or a seamstress or do professionally whatever hobby of mine they find impressive, because they're sure I must hate my job and think I should be doing what they figure I must love more. I love my job more than any of my hobbies, sorry!