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⌈ Secret Post #3650 ⌋

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Comments

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

It simply disagree. Politicians look out fo themselves. Trump would never fuck over a demographic he needs on his side, and Hilary would never go out on a limb to protect a demographic she doesn't need on her side. On both of those cases that demographic is those vulnerable people.

Maybe she would and maybe she wouldn't. I doubt she'd do it right off the bat, but as soon as she needed some republican support, boom, it's gone. Trump already had that republican support, so he had to hit that first, but yes, controversial bit of legislation, that is newish and vulnerable? That right there is prime sacrafice material.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Again, this is stupid shit. Hillary would have compromised on shit but - even supposing a maximum of personal cynicism, ruthlessness, and machiavellianism - she was not going to sell the core basic policy positions of the Democratic Party down the river. You fucking morons. There is a difference between compromise and throwing over everything that your allies believe in and making them hate you. Even given her commitment to compromise, Hillary is not going to swing right over to carrying out the dream of the right-wing Republicans. That is what Trump is contemplating even now. You fucking child.

Again: there are real, discrete differences in policy we're talking about here, and this kind of analysis is totally unfounded and stupid and harmful as hell.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

Why not, the rest of the democratic party sold the core basic policy positions down the river when they openly fucked Bernie.

People are people everywhere is not just a saying to encapsulate the good parts of human nature. Selfish fuckers doing whatever they can to succeed will succeed and get to the top on all sides. Occasionally you'll get a good one like Obama, but everything I've seen of her does not make me believe this. Trump and Hilary are two successful people of equally shitty character, so Trump was never going to fuck people as hard as the hysteria suggested, and hillary was never going to be the saint of progressive values people were pushing her as. Bring them both down to Human - Not Demon not saint - and everything I've seen marks them just as bad as each other.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Why not, the rest of the democratic party sold the core basic policy positions down the river when they openly fucked Bernie.

I don't think this is an accurate depiction of analogy.

Trump and Hilary are two successful people of equally shitty character, so Trump was never going to fuck people as hard as the hysteria suggested, and hillary was never going to be the saint of progressive values people were pushing her as.

But, in asserting that this makes them equal, you are making basically the same error, just with the polarities reversed. Just because neither of them is a demon or a saint, it does not follow that the expected outcome of their presidencies would be the same. Their policies are not the same, the parties which they represent are not the same, their actions will not be the same. And in fact we can see extremely significant differences between those outcomes, when you considered what Trump seems to be planning to do and what Clinton could be expected to do.

Again: Trump is contemplating block-granting Medicare, and repealing the ACA, and rolling back all the climate change programs that Obama sponsored, and a myriad of other things besides them. I don't see how you can look at that and still say that there would be no difference if Clinton was in the office. Even if you dislike Clinton, it is completely insane to look at what is happening and say that Clinton would be doing the same. Fuck, man.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

I'm starting to think I'm not going to convince you of anything, and I don't have more points to make. So let me just say that I do not trust that Hilary would be better in any single point than trump. Everything I've seen of her marks her as just as vile and two faced as trump, You clearly disagree, so I suggest we leave this disagreement here, yeah?

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Your level of expectation for Hillary seems to be that she will go out of her way to lie and betray the principles of the Democratic Party. This is an insane thing to believe. It is the political reasoning of a child. It is wrong, and it is actively harmful.

I'm happy to leave it there if you are. Good day.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[tabaqui]

I completely agree with you, and really do *not* get where the 'Hillary would have plunged us into chaos and war and evil!!!' are coming from. Just - mind boggling.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

You're saying there's no difference between Hillary giving Republicans 10% of what they want, and Trump giving them 100%?

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

No, because trump won't give them 100%. He'll give them 100% of what he want's to give them or has to give them. And Hilary won't give them 10%. She would give them what she needs to and what she want's to.

I'd probably say (since we're pulling stats out of our ass for this hypothetical.) Trump will give them 55%, Hilary would give them 45%, and of that 10% difference, who's to say that half of that won't turn out to be of benefit?. The republicans getting 10% more with trump might actually be the good 10%?