[ SECRET POST #3651 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3651 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[(Anonymous)]

I can see this point, except that people are awfully quick to label something "token", and it often seems to me that their argument is that media needs to exceed their own arbitrary definition of "token" or not bother at all... and I kind of suspect that not bothering at all is what they actually want, not diversity.

Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

As one of "~them" that would prefer no representation to bad, embarrassing, and stereotype-reinforcing representation, it's true for me at least. Yes, I would rather have no representation that have the only person of my race on a show be a collection of stereotypes. Yes, I would rather have a show be blatantly all-white than to have the one black character in NYC speak "street" and be an ex-con. Yes, I would rather have a show be blatantly all white than have the one Chinese girl in SF be exotic and flirty with a heavy accent?! You make it sound like it's a bad thing.

If a show is going to be like that, they can stop bothering to pretend, for all I care.

If a show is going to try, they can do better than that.

Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[diet_poison]

I thought tokenism was when one individual of a marginalized group was included so that the creators can say "look at me, I'm diverse!" - not necessarily the same problem as racist stereotyping in writing (though there's overlap to be sure).

Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[(Anonymous)]

It's both.

When there's only one character but they're fully explored and not a caricature i.e. not included solely so that the creators can say "look at me, I'm diverse!" and they play a significant part in the plot or story or development, you can't call them a token. They're simply a character to happens to be (race).

Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[diet_poison]

Right, I'm not trying to say any character of a given race is a token - just if the main or only reason they were included is for diversity points.

And whatever you call it, I think we can all agree it's annoying as fuck.

Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[(Anonymous)]

Token to me personally means a character who is solely identified by whatever makes them 'other'.

For example, if you have a black character who is defined by how 'ghetto' or 'street' they are, that's pretty damn racist and tokenism. Like they just went, "Well we need a black person, how do they act? Make them all about that." rather than defining the character and then deciding to make them black.

Like, in Stephen King's Cell (the movie, though the character is ambiguously gay in the novel), Tom McCourt is gay. And the only reason you know he is, is because he briefly mentions that he has no one to check on because his man left him.

That's it. No stereotypical femme-gay acting, nothing else, just a throwaway line that identifies his sexuality but doesn't make the character a 'gay character' but rather a character who happens to be gay.