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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-01-01 03:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #3651 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3651 ⌋

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Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

(Anonymous) 2017-01-01 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

As one of "~them" that would prefer no representation to bad, embarrassing, and stereotype-reinforcing representation, it's true for me at least. Yes, I would rather have no representation that have the only person of my race on a show be a collection of stereotypes. Yes, I would rather have a show be blatantly all-white than to have the one black character in NYC speak "street" and be an ex-con. Yes, I would rather have a show be blatantly all white than have the one Chinese girl in SF be exotic and flirty with a heavy accent?! You make it sound like it's a bad thing.

If a show is going to be like that, they can stop bothering to pretend, for all I care.

If a show is going to try, they can do better than that.
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Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[personal profile] diet_poison 2017-01-01 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought tokenism was when one individual of a marginalized group was included so that the creators can say "look at me, I'm diverse!" - not necessarily the same problem as racist stereotyping in writing (though there's overlap to be sure).

Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

(Anonymous) 2017-01-02 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
It's both.

When there's only one character but they're fully explored and not a caricature i.e. not included solely so that the creators can say "look at me, I'm diverse!" and they play a significant part in the plot or story or development, you can't call them a token. They're simply a character to happens to be (race).
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Re: Penny worth your thoughts?

[personal profile] diet_poison 2017-01-03 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Right, I'm not trying to say any character of a given race is a token - just if the main or only reason they were included is for diversity points.

And whatever you call it, I think we can all agree it's annoying as fuck.