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⌈ Secret Post #3659 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

The "listening to other points of view is problematic" mentality has got to go. It does way, way more harm than good.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[sarillia]

I haven't really come across that. I've come across "you're not obligated to give POVs you disagree with a platform" and I will agree that there are people who block out anything that doesn't agree with them, but I haven't seen people saying you're doing something wrong by just listening to someone with a POV they disagree with.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Please explain what the fuck you have in mind here

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Just yell at everyone that they're wrong and then stick your fingers in your ears and go, "La la la I'm not listening!"

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I was frustrated and I should have been more polite. But I do genuinely have trouble figuring out what you mean by the "'listening to other points of view is problematic' mentality". I think it's generally a problem that we tend to be really, really bad at talking through stuff to do with speech and tolerance but I also am not sure how to respond without a better idea of what specifically you have in mind. What are the kinds of interaction that you think people are criticizing here?

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

. What are the kinds of interaction that you think people are criticizing here?

Well, honestly? Exactly that. Someone says something you think might be divisive, suddenly you ask them what the fuck they mean.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, not OP, I was being sarcastic because I wasn't sure what they were getting at either. I mean, personally, I listen to other peoples' views in order to challenge them.

My parents for instance because of their age and upbringing, still have so backwards racist/homophobic attitudes, but we can have civil discussions about things like why they'd be okay with me being gay as long as I was happy, but it weirds them out to see 'gay people being pushed in media'.

It actually makes me happy when they acknowledge that they know their views are outdated and they're glad I turned out more... I don't like the word tolerant, but it's what they use usually.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, not OP, I was being sarcastic because I wasn't sure what they were getting at either.

Real nice.

What I was getting at was that there's an idea that you shouldn't have to, and in fact, acknowledging other sides means you're playing the devil's advocate. And that there's nothing wrong with jumping on people. Yes, there is.

And the fact that instead of just asking me what I meant, people elected to be snarky about it? That demonstrates what I'm talking about. So thank you.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

You're welcome. Glad I could help.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I did ask you what you meant

I did it rudely, out of frustration, for which I'm sorry but I'm also only human. It's not really anything about your views I was just frustrated.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[thewakokid]

I don't think anyone thinks that way.

I think it's far more that people listen to other points of view, but with the view to tearing them down, so the misinterpret things, or find the worst way to take something, or actually twist something to fit what they believe, but I don't think they're deliberately doing it. They have their bais, and it colours everything they hear that's not what they believe so that everything they hear that's not what they believe it the worst most problematic shit imaginable.

It;s not good but it's not a deliberate choice or mindset.

Re: Unpopular / Controversial Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That mentality doesn't exist. It's a fiction constructed by people who are absolutely certain that their own point of view is so right and they themselves are able to explain it so eloquently that anyone who listens to them will inevitably come around and agree with them.

If you come out of a conversation with them still holding to your original stance, it's clearly because you didn't listen, not because they failed to make a compelling enough argument to sway you.