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[ SECRET POST #3670 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3670 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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03. [SPOILERS for The Babadook]



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04. [SPOILERS for Steven Universe]



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05. [SPOILERS for Pokemon Sun and Moon]



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06. [SPOILERS for Inuyasha: The Final Act]



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07. [WARNING for abuse, etc]



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08. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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[personal profile] fscom 2017-01-20 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
05. [SPOILERS for Pokemon Sun and Moon]
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Edited 2017-01-20 23:32 (UTC)
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[personal profile] morieris 2017-01-20 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay so I haven't finished it (I'm still stuck in Po town >:( ) but that irritates me too.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
It's really not the reason though. People hate her because she's a terrible person, not because she's a woman.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-20 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not misogyny, it's because the character she abused is the fandom's pet. Both characters, actually, but especially Lillie.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-20 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I know right? Actually, I think the abusive behavior actually added a dimension to her villainy that it DIDN'T to Ghetsis. It seemed like Ghetsis was abusive to be abusive while we have so many factors to Lusamine's abusiveness and I feel like all of it is psychologically interesting and I like her and love analyzing her and I'm rambling.

(Seriously, fuck the whiners in the fandom sometimes.)

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Would you mind rambling some more? Because I've heard a bunch of people say she's so fascinating to them and I don't get it myself. She's obsessed with everything being beautiful for no given reason except that the game needs a villain and then she gets a tacked on excuse afterwards of her husband disappearing. I don't hate her, but I didn't think she was that deep.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
In postgame, it mentions the Nihilego emits a neurotoxin that reinforces stronger traits but also removes inhibitions. To this degree, since she was likely present when her husband went through an Ultra Wormhole, she likely got infected back then. You don't end up that bad, that fast. She's borderline catatonic in postgame when you hear about her from Wicke. I'm pretty sure that's even why it shows up in the middle of Aether Paradise: looking for its old host.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-22 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Doesn't excuse her abuse. She wasn't being mind controlled.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-25 09:35 am (UTC)(link)
Looker and Anabel both were arguably exposed longer than she was and it didn't affect their personalities. Of course they may not have been in contact with Nihilego, but I'm pretty sure as interesting as she has the possibility to be, in the end it's Nintendo/Game Freak and if anything more was given she'd just be a villain and she's just going to not be if we ever see her again based on Lillie going to Kanto and the rest of the implications that came with it.

If it showed up in Aether Paradise looking for her, why did any of them show up anywhere else specifically, before or after? It's explained that they're attracted to anyone that goes through the wormholes, but it didn't go directly for her so she was just a casualty that followed, it didn't go specifically to her. Nanu and Looker explain that their old partner had died for that exact reason, that UBs were attracted to Fallers (people who went through the Ultra Wormhole) and though it's not explained, it is assumed they get violent since it did literally kill their partner and send Nanu on his #sad man journey out of Interpol.

So at the very least, it's clear she did not have prior physical contact (as in travel) within an Ultra Wormhole before the point that she did. It's hard to say what defines a Faller, but I think if she is one, they would have called her one, too. I guess it's defined as traveling from one dimension to another and what qualifed the player character was going to get Cosmog in the Wormhole and out into the alternate Pokemon universe. I assume whether the player did or didn't the dialogue was written to assume that had taken place.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
You know what part of it is? There's this sentiment in some corners of fandom , moral guardian-y nonsense that if you enjoy an abusive character (or one the fandom has declared abusive) that means you are okay with abuse and an "abuse apologist" and thus the lowest of scum. This is so some people in fandom can have a moral high ground and a cause to feel good for ("I'm fighting the normalization of abuse!") while also getting to bully people.

Its spreading like a gasfire around fandom and many of these types of people tend to be vocal and take a position of unwarranted authority in fangroups. Because they're power hungry shitfucks.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
The main reason I didn't care for her was not just the abuse, but how hateful her speech was towards her own children. Yeah, they stole/rescued two living things from her, but she disowned them over it. They saw how these creatures were being treated, and they removed them from that environment.

It doesn't matter that she was female; if she were male and grieving over the disappearance of his wife, I'd still be upset over how he treated his kids. It wouldn't matter if Lillie and Gladion were absolutely obnoxious brats, I still wouldn't be ok with their own parent treating them poorly. I'm never ok with parents treating their children like they're worth nothing to them, in any form of media.

IF we were to see how she was before she went insane/her husband disappeared, I might change my stance on her. But right now, all we can truly see is what happened in-game. From that, I'm sorry to say, but I dislike her as a character. Prior to the game's release, I had been hoping she was a heroic character, so when it was revealed she was an antagonist I was a little disappointed.

For the record, my favorite team leader is Guzma. All of the others, I either disliked or have no strong opinion on (Giovanni, Archie and Maxie). I can see where you're seeing people flip their shit over her, though; the Pokemon fandom has never been a calm one.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
The only misogyny I see is the people pulling up all these double standards about her. Surely if we hate Ghetsis we should be allowed to hate Lusamine. He at least PRETENDED to be nice until the end.

She's a bit of Ghetsis and a bit of Lysandre, and if those traits will play in a man they should play in a woman.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
huh...? most Pokemon villains have been just generically "evil," in a "I want to take over/destroy the world!!" way.

Lusamine is similar, but also outright told her own children they were worthless shit, repeatedly made fun of them, and was unapologetically abusive. I was really anticipating the game would explain that all away with "she was possessed!" or otherwise not under her own control, and they... kind of (?) did, but mostly it came down to her being terrible.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
They explained she was parasitized by... Something that emits a neurotoxin that removes inhibitions and reinforces stronger traits. There's a reason for the scene where Lusamine, free of Nihilego, asks when her daughter became so beautiful for... Standing up to her, of all things.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
But she only became possessed after going to the other world in the middle of the game, wasn't she? Unless I was supposed to pick up the idea that she'd been possessed earlier than that (like way back in the whole early stages of her experiments) which I wondered about, but I couldn't find anything that made it clear enough that that's what happened rather than it happening during the game's events. And that's a shame because then that random change of heart about Lillie after her defeat would have made sense.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-21 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
We don't know that. I got the impression, since things suddenly began getting so weird after her husband vanished, that she came into contact with a Nihilego back then. There's implications, given the bed scene or how Lil talks about the rain incident with her mom, that Lusamine was actually a decent person once. Her children definitely have some fond memories of her in early childhood. So I think it would have to be that she came into contact with Nihilego back then. It's the only thing that makes sense of her weirdness.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-22 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Different anon. It still doesn't excuse her bullshit. Nilhego wanted to get back home. That has nothing to do with Lusamine being an abusive shitstain.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-25 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
where are you at? all i see are perfect mom apologists. in the end, she was very probably going to end up redeeming herself fully so i think in a way it's a cop out anyway, but it's just like fandom to take extremes in either direction.

both of which suck.
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