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Re: Negative Opnions You Have

[(Anonymous)]

I know a lot of people who voted for Trump, and nearly all of them did so because of exactly one reason: his promises to bring jobs back to rural areas, like the ones those people live in. I think that one issue that the Democrats simply did not get this election was that a very significant amount of the support Trump got in places like the Midwest was because of that. There are big swathes of the country whose local economies and job markets have been tanking big time, often because of outsourcing taking away factory work etc that was the backbone of the livelihoods of many people in those areas for generations, leaving those areas in increasingly desperate economic straits. Trump knew exactly what to say to those people to give them hope that they might see an economic upturn in their areas. Of course the rural working class and poor responded much better to the guy saying "I'll bring back the jobs you've been desperately needing" than to the woman calling them all kinds of horrible insulting names and accusing them of being evil bigoted trash without bothering to consider any other possible reason that they might vote for her opponent. I think a lot of people who live in blue states or blue neighborhoods might be surprised how many Trump voters out there simply voted on the hope of the return of jobs, rather than because they hate dem gays and immigrants.

Re: Negative Opnions You Have

[(Anonymous)]

I'll never not be confused at how they were willing to believe a man with no political experience and a lot of failed business ventures.

HIllary may have 'insulted' them but this man is just hot air.

Re: Negative Opnions You Have

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say it was a good decision they made. And there shouldn't be any quotes around "insulted"; the Clinton campaign actively and repeatedly blasted Trump supporters as hateful bigoted idiots who were only voting for Trump in hopes of getting government support for their hateful bigoted idiocy. And while there are very obviously people for whom that was true, there is also a large contingent who, as I said, voted Trump because they were desperate for jobs and he promised them jobs. Desperation clings to anything it can grab on to, whether those promises seem viable if looked at logically or not. Imo the fatal error the Clinton campaign made was in deliberately choosing to disregard the valid economic concerns of a large amount of the population and attempting to shame them into changing sides. Which was never going to work. Clinton made exactly zero attempts that I can recall to speak to the fears of those in communities whose local economies had been going down the tubes. She campaigned mainly to the middle and upper class in urban areas which were less directly affected by outsourcing of jobs, not the rural working class and poor. Her campaign to those demographics was largely limited to telling them they were terrible people and refusing to acknowledge that there were genuine concerns, which Trump knew how to manipulate in his favor, that those people needed to hear acknowledged. Trump is an insufferable arrogant egomaniac who is trying to abandon all human decency and is probably in Putin's back pocket to boot, but Clinton and the entire Democrat party really, really dropped the ball this election from the very beginning. If we manage to get through the next 4 years, I hope against hope that they fucking learned something from all of this about how to run a campaign.

Re: Negative Opnions You Have

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but I have a really hard time feeling sorry for the Trump voters I know. We're in California, and every single one of my coworkers who voted for him has a benefitted union job. One is Latino. One receives SSI. One has her Masters. All of them are really outspoken "Christians." I'm not even Christian and I'm still pulling the "no true Scotsman" thing, because some of their reasons for voting for him are so terrifyingly un-Christlike. I even asked them about the jobs thing. Some of them didn't care, and of the ones who did, none of them knew anyone who had had their job outsourced or their factory job made redundant when the factory closed down or anything like that. As for "the factory closed and now none of us have jobs"--

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/donald-trump-2016-election-oklahoma-working-class

And finally, two of the four most outspoken Trump voters I know aren't just racist, they're so racist they'revile. They're not ignorant, they're fucking malicious. One of them fucking hates black people and the other one is the biggest xenophobe I have ever met. She uses "foreigner" the way I might say "child molester." Anyone with an accent is suspect, anyone with an accent who is also brown is "the enemy" who probably barbecues little Christian babies.

Re: Negative Opnions You Have

[(Anonymous)]

1) I never said I felt sorry for them. one can acknowledge that people are in a less than great position, and do stupid things as a direct result of said position, without "feeling sorry" for them.

2) Your coworkers' situation is approximately 0% irrelevant to the situation of the people I was talking about, or of the situation of others who are genuinely living in the valid fear that the local economy and job market where they live are going to completely snuff it. I'm not just throwing anecdata out there; I'm merely repeating what a lot of people all across the country have been saying since the candidates first began stumping.

3) I already said that there were definitely Trump voters who voted for him in hopes of getting their hateful bigotry validated. You in no wise need to convince me of that. I am aware of it, especially being an ethnic minority myself.

4) The existence of hateful Trump-voting jackasses doesn't mean that the Clinton campaign didn't completely fuck up their entire campaign by alienating and disregarding a significant chunk of voters who might well have been persuaded not to vote Trump had they been given any indication that the Clinton campaign gave the slightest shred of a fuck about their extremely valid economic concerns which, the Clinton campaign being just determined to ignore and invalidate, Trump had completely unimpeded free reign to manipulate and exploit to his advantage.

Re: Negative Opnions You Have

[(Anonymous)]

Here's the thing though--a lot of Trump voters apparently feel that they are poor and hard done by since the mine or factory or whatever closed down, but that's all they are, feelings.. They feel that Muslims are threatening and that Mexicans are taking their jobs, when really, they might never have seen a Muslim or a Mexican irl. They feel like they're poor when really, most Trump voters are actually middle class. They feel persecuted for being Christian, but having to tolerate non-Christians=/= persecution.

Re: Negative Opnions You Have

[(Anonymous)]

There are lots of small towns and rural areas in need of workers. People could have jobs without having to move to a city, but they would still have to move and adapt, and therein lies the rub. No one wants to do that, but I think the feeling that they shouldn't have to is completely antithetical to the history of the United States and 19th century Americans would laugh at them.