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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-02-12 03:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3693 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3693 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Sherlock]


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[Yu-Gi-Oh!]


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[She-Ra Princess of Power Crystal Castle, He-Man Masters of the Universe Snake Mountain, He-Man Masters of the Universe Castle Grayskull]


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[Tara Palmer-Tomkinson]


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[Pretty in Pink]


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[Crazy Ex-Girlfriend]











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(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Can someone explain this to me? I'm not up on my Sherlock fandom, and tried google but couldn't find anything :(

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's about that fic where Sherlock and John are movie stars? I can't remember the name of it though.
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[personal profile] nanslice 2017-02-12 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Close, it's a movie in a fic that was inspired by that fic in which they were movie stars. Or something like that.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god that one. One of those "why are the Most Popular Fics in any given fandom always such shit?" moments

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
It's honestly way more interesting to me to try to figure out why people are responding to a particular fic, rather than doing the good ol Fans Dumb So What routine.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess. AUs and misery fics ("Alone on the Water" for instance) seem to be very popular.
It certainly has relatively little to do with quality of writing/characterisation.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
But it almost definitionally has to have some quality that strikes an emotional chord, which is what's interesting. And strikes that chord better than other things do.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Excuse you, Performance In A Leading Role was very well written. If you don't like the idea of an actors AU, that's your business, but that doesn't mean it's a bad fic. It did some pretty great things with its premise, and the writing was honestly pretty excellent, at least by fanfic standards.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
"at least by fanfic standards" wow. you're really not making your case here. Writing is writing is writing.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
Not really, and if you weren't being willfully combative you would acknowledge that.

I mean, it's been pretty well established that even the best fanfic is often not conducive to being turned into original fiction. Because "good writing" by original fiction standards involves crafting the building blocks for the story and then crafting the story from those blocks, while "good" fanfic writing is free to skip over a large chunk of the first step and move right on to the second. In that regard, I will very rarely evaluate how well written fanfic is in direct comparison to original fiction, because the comparison is unfair to both modes of writing.

Among other things, Performance In A Leading Role is well paced and well developed, with snappy and effective dialogue, consistent and likable characterizations, and a nicely filled out ensemble cast. But would it stand alone as original fiction? Maybe, but not with flying colors. But since there are very few novel length fics out there that would make truly great stand alone novels without extensive rewriting, that's hardly a valid point of criticism where fanfic is concerned.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt but...

Because "good writing" by original fiction standards involves crafting the building blocks for the story and then crafting the story from those blocks, while "good" fanfic writing is free to skip over a large chunk of the first step and move right on to the second.

IMO, this rather leads back to ayrt's point about the implication that "fanfic standards" are, shall we say, less rigorous than original fiction standards. So saying that something is "honestly pretty excellent, at least by fanfic standards" still sounds like a huge (and necessary!) qualifier to me.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
So saying that something is "honestly pretty excellent, at least by fanfic standards" still sounds like a huge (and necessary!) qualifier to me.

I don't know about AYRT, but when I'm talking about how well written fic is I always make sure to clarify that I'm measuring it by fanfic standards. Whether I'm speaking about the best fic I've ever read, or a fic that I didn't like. I just think it's a qualification that needs to be made in order for everyone to know exactly how the work is being evaluated. And I do this for exactly the reasons that AYRT underlined in their comment. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. But having read the fic AYRT is defending, I'm definitely inclined to agree with them that it's a well written fic. Not the best Sherlock fanfic I've read or anything, but definitely one that deserved its ample popularity.