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⌈ Secret Post #3699 ⌋

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[thewakokid]

Well, I don't think I'm an asshole, but then I wouldn't would I? I don't think people who are assholes - Correction, people who at a given moment are doing asshole things. No one is an asshole, they just act like assholes sometimes - think they're assholes. I don't know if I'm being an asshole here, but I don't think I am.

Anyway, yes, thank you for the fair assessment, I really wasn't shooting for that. I wasn't talking about marriage, I wasn't talking about women exclusively, and I wasn't talking about women needing men, or heterosexual or even sexual relationships at all. I don't see where those assumptions come from. I was thinking about romantic relationships, but what I said didn't even need to include that. I was talking about excluding reality for fantasy and how even fantasy is not all happiness and roses all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

As ususal, people here like to deliberatly misunderstand everything...
I'm sorry, wako :(

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, Wako is the person who thinks Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" comments imply consent on the part of the woman. So I can kind of see why some people on this comm find it difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt. That said, I actually do agree that he is being fairly misinterpreted here, and that he does get unfairly misinterpreted a fair amount.

[thewakokid]

I appreciate that you're giving me a fair shake on this, so thanks. Can I clarify the trump point?

I was talking specifically about the "And they let you" part of that little exchange and how that could be interpreted to imply consent. It also could be interpreted as "And they let you, but I don't give a fuck about that" but that's not the only way to read it, and there's a lot of hostility to people giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, which I think is unfair.

I mean I'd love to not get into it, and probably this distinction about what I was talking about won't change a thing about how anyone thinks of me, which is fair, it was an unpopular opinion thread, I'm prepared to be unpopular on this, I just thought I should be clear.

Thanks for looking past that in this case, tho, You're good people.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT -- I think you have to really stretch to turn "and they let you" into consent in the context of Trump's remarks. It's not "And they let you, but I don't give a fuck about that." It's "and there's nothing they can do about it, because I'm Donald Fucking Trump."

If an extremely rich and powerful man, who is also a foot taller and 100 lbs heavier than you, grabs you by the dick and then proceeds to fuck you sideways, the fact that you "let him" touch you the way he wanted to doesn't actually make it consensual on your part.

TW Discussions of rape.

[thewakokid]

Of course it could be "and there's nothing they can do about it, because I'm Donald Fucking Trump." but it could also be "and they want me to do it, because I'm Donald Fucking Trump." I don't begrudge anyone taking either reading of that.

The big phrase that get's thrown around is "It's just locker room talk" and people get horrified by it because they assume that if men in the locker rooms are talking like this what they must be saying is "I can rape women, aren't I cool?" because that's what they are hearing from Trump, when I think the reason people keep saying it's locker room talk is to give it the context that locker room talk has for a lot of people which is less "I can rape women, aren't I cool?" and more "women want me to have sex with them, aren't I cool?"

I don't usually hold with the "It's just locker talk" because even then its super tone deaf, and of course it is worded to allow for the interpretation of "I can touch woman an no-one can stop me" but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that this was not him bragging about his sexual assaults. I mean, my sphere of guy friends is limited, but we wouldn't brag about rape. Rape would be the exact opposite of what we would be hoping to achieve, like "I'm so undesirable to women, I need to do things against their will, aren't I cool?" We brag about beautiful women wanting us, or we do when we get the chance. Thing I'm getting at is I think the "And they let me" part is more important to this than people give credit for. Of course that's just one possible interpretation, and I'm not even 100% sure this is what he was trying to say, It could well be "I can rape women, aren't I cool. I just think it's a more valid viewpoint than people are allowing. I don't anticipate changing anyones mind on it or anything.

Re: TW Discussions of rape.

[(Anonymous)]

DA Okay I think I get your train of thought. The emphasis on "and they let me" is his surprise that these women actually seemed to want him to do it rather than him just bragging about his dominance over others. The man is clearly still a rapist though.

In the future you should consider sitting on potentially inflammatory responses for a bit, then reread them a couple hours later with a fresh perspective, because your opinion on that has sounded sketchy as fuck until that last paragraph.

[thewakokid]

No need to say sorry.

I said something an people has a problem with it it happens. And I do think that there is a large portion of misunderstanding going on here. Maybe deliberately, maybe people only used to looking for things to be outraged at so that's all they see, maybe people genuinely mistaking what I'm driving at, but, I mean, shit happens right? No need for anyone to feel sorry about it.

[(Anonymous)]

You literalyl told OP that she is mistaken abut her own feelings and she would surely feel suicidal if she wasn't in a relationship. What's there to misunderstand?

[thewakokid]

I literally didn't. (Warning, only one of us is using literally correctly here)

I never said she was mistaken, I just pointed out that fantasy is not always fantastic, and that the downside - The temporary downside, and I pointed out that every choice comes with those temporary downsides nomatter how perfect it feels most of the time - of choosing fantasy is loneliness, and loneliness can kill.

I literally didn't tell OP they were mistaken in their feelings. I literally said "I actually get that." because I share OP's feeling.

I literally never said "surely feel suicidal" I pointed out that you need more to live for than fantasy because when fantasy fails you, you can feel so low and having no-one around you at that time, that's a bad place to be.

Sorry to be such a dick about the Literally thing, but I really hate that literally can now apparently mean that opposite of literally.

[(Anonymous)]

When I was a child, I was told two lies: one was that if I ever leave my religion, I will feel lonely a suicidial because everyone who doesn't alowthe OneTrue God inside their heart will feel this way eventually. The other was prety mcuh the same thing, except about a romantic relationship and babies.

Good thing I didn't listen,because it's simply not true.

[thewakokid]

Those are both lies, but I think lies of omission and just general misleading.

Let me explain mansplain: It's possible that leaving that community and failing to find another community would have left you feeling lonely and suicidal, but what they omitted to tell you was that there are other communities just as loving and welcoming that you could find yourself a part of. Maybe they didn't know? Maybe they genuinely believe God has chosen their community, and all other people are a lesser shade of people and having seen their community, how could anyone be as happy in another?

That's Lie of omission No 1. That there was a way to fill that hole leaving the community would have left

Lie of omission No 2. The implication that that sense of loneliness is a perpetual state. Just Nope.

Lie of omission No 3. The implication that you would never feel that way within their community.

But yeah, good for you for finding your own way.

[(Anonymous)]

Atheist community can be described as many things, but "loving" is not the word I'd use.

[thewakokid]

Maybe, but There isn't AN atheist community, really. There are so many people who are athiest, it's entirely possible to find a group of atheists who welcome you and love you and fill whatever you find is missing. But I wasn't specifically talking about religion. You might find a group who do tabletop games, or a team to join for sports, or, shit I don't know, a photography class. Point is, you can find a community just about anywhere if you look and put in the effort, and there's no reason that any of those communities would need to be any less loving than the religious ones.