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[(Anonymous)]

Ha! Deep and dangerous waters here!

Provisionally, yes, it seems likely to me.

[ketita]

Well, if you do think that theology/politics are inseparable and that philosophy/politics are the same, then I can at least thumbs-up at you for being consistent XD

There are lots of schools of thought that subscribe to that, btw - the idea that really, everything is political. I personally lean away from that because I think it's not the most useful way to categorize things - as in, if everything is political, then you need to create subdivisions within the "political" if you want to talk about nuances of things, so "political" becomes effectively a non-classification, and kind of loses its meaning.
But that's just my angle on things.

[(Anonymous)]

To be clear here, I'm not necessarily saying that everything is political, but that things can't really be understood as divorced from their specific historical and social contexts - so it's not that theology and politics are the same, or that philosophy and politics are the same; it's that they are things done by specific people in times and places with a myriad of contexts including politics.

So, like, what I'm really saying is there is no such thing as a transhistorical essence of Christianity or Judaism; there are Judaism and Christianity as they have been understood and practiced and interpreted and understood by actual people in a myriad of different ways. And one of the dimensions of those different ways is the relationship to the political context. That doesn't mean that Judaism or Christianity is only its political context, but that it can't be divorced from it.

Of course, this is a very difficult and complicated thing to talk about for a lot of different reasons; but one of the obvious ones is that Judaism and certainly Christianity would completely reject the idea that there's no transhistorical essence of religion. Which is what I was getting at when I said this wasn't really compatible with a religious world view.

[ketita]

Hm, I see what you mean. And yeah, that's not really compatible.

The thing is, there are certain political issues - such as the ones brought up here, actually - that you could argue about its political presence within certain religions. For example, neither Christianity nor Islam existed when Judaism first showed up, so you can argue about how deeply rooted in Jewish theology political responses to these religions are. And I would also argue that not all theological responses are political ones, because to me they're dealing with fundamentally different aspects of life. But I can also accept if you disagree with me on that one.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I mean I don't think we're going to sort this one out, it's a pretty central and deep philosophical question. Like I said, deep and dangerous waters.

I guess for practical purposes I can rephrase my initial point as: there might be some limitations and issues with considering religions from a purely theological point of view.

[ketita]

I can get behind that. It's not that I'm saying that there can never be any political element to religion, but I do think it can be useful to differentiate between theological and political and elements that are a mixture of both within a religion.
For example, Religion A saying "all members of Religion B are evil hellspawn born of the Destroyer" may have political roots, but it's being couched in theological concepts, so I'd lean towards theology for that specific issue.
Then again, the question comes down to what exactly we're trying to define and discuss etc. in each situation.