[ SECRET POST #3709 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3709 ⌋

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Re: OP

[ketita]

Okay, liking him is not like excusing Nazis, and yes, that claim is definitely completely different from "I am uncomfortable with how society keeps on inventing faux-Nazi villains to drool over and sexualize" (which seems is more the direction that people here are thinking)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Just kind of jumping off here, for me it seems very understandable that the faux-Nazi stuff gets sexualized? It's like the whole rape fantasy thing, the vast majority of people with that fantasy know that rape is horrific and awful. But they can remove the element that makes it rape (actual real life non-consent) and pick and choose a fantasy buffet of elements associated with it.

Evil Empire is such a... universal bad guy trope. What makes the First Order that much different from the aliens in Independence Day, really? Aesthetics. You can have conquering The World or galaxies and and evil military organizations but the moment you slap some puffy pants on them everyone's jaw drops over and goes "They're NAZIS!"

But honestly most people probably just want the standard buffet of villain tropes on a sharp uniform plate and set on a pseudo-military table structure. Red Skull wanting to take over ZE WORLD is a cool fantasy. If Avengers Assemble Red Skull actually started talking like a KKK member, I think a lot more people wouldn't like it.

Re: OP

[ketita]

But it's not a "random Evil Empire" trope. The trope is specifically based on the Nazi aesthetic, fascism, and modernity. You'll notice that none of these evil empires look like the Romans, or the Greeks, or the Mongols, or the Aztecs, or Communist China or Imperial China or North Korea.
It's NOT neutral, and it's not made-up.
And you know what, just like you compared to rape fantasies - yeah, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who are uncomfortable with Nazi fetishization, because to them, Nazis will never be anything other than the nightmare that killed their family.

I should also add that I guess I'm looking at it from a slightly systemic/abstract angle, since I study literature haha