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⌈ Secret Post #3709 ⌋

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I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[(Anonymous)]

Because (keep in mind I have seen very little SW canon) aren't they just "vaguely fascist" more than anything else?

If we're talking about something like the death eaters in HP, they are significantly closer to the idea of a Nazi equivalent as they basically ARE Nazis if you swapped out Jewish/other groups the Nazis didn't like with Muggles/Muggleborns and outright advocate discrimination.

Like if someone was leather pantsing the Empire, I might give them side eye but I'd wouldn't be nearly as uncomfortable as the did the same for Death eaters

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you on the different between the SW baddies and Death Eaters, but I also don't think it's worth side-eyeing someone who likes Death Eaters. Because we're all actually muggles, it's not like an oppressed ethnic minority or something that the Death Eaters hate, it's literally the people reading and writing erotic fanfiction of them. SO while Nazi comparisons can maybe be made in a more academic discussion, it's really not the same thing.

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I feel like you can make a much stronger case with the Death Eaters because the core of their philosophy is pretty much akin to Nazism, just against a different (and fictional) group of people. But the Empire was out to conquer EVERYONE - they're pretty much your generic Big Bad who wants to take over the world/universe.

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[feotakahari]

"That all came out of conversations about what would have happened if the Nazis all went to Argentina but then started working together again? What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn't get done?"--J.J. Abrams

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[fishnchips]

That still doesn't say anything about their ideology and in my opinion, looks and vague historical similarities do not a "they're totally Nazis" make. And from a purely ideological POV, there is very little (so far) to suggest they are in line with Nazi ideology, no matter how much the people behind the movie might pretend (it's a classic matter of show Vs. tell and they didn't really deliver on the 'show' part except in terms of hammy stylistic choices).

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if the Empire was ever supposed to be ideologically very similar to the Nazis, but with things like the shape of Vader's helmet and the term "stormtrooper," there have been deliberate choices all along to *remind* the audience of Nazis, so it's not weird people would equate them with Nazis.

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[(Anonymous)]

They're absolutely meant to remind people of Nazis, no doubt. But I think the big thing people are arguing is, is a duck decoy a duck? It certainly looks like a duck, there's do doubt about it, it's certainly based on a duck, but it can't swim, quack, fly, or lay eggs. You can't feed it grain. You can't eat it.

So you have a movie with a pond and a duck decoy floating on it and people are getting hung up on arguing if it's supposed to represent a real duck in the story and they just didn't do a good job of showing it, or if it's supposed to just be a duck decoy. And do people think it's cool because they like real life ducks or do they just think they look pretty and know real life ducks poop and bite?

I don't think anyone would argue that the duck decoy wasn't ever meant to LOOK like a duck and be based on a duck, but everything else is just quibbling over the levels of duck-ness involved.

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[fishnchips]

I love this analogy.

Re: I really don't get the evil organization=Nazis in this context

[(Anonymous)]

The shape of Vader's helmet? He wears kabuto armor. While that would align with the Axis powers, that's half a world away from Germany.