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[ SECRET POST #3710 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3710 ⌋

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[Glee, Mark Salling]

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[Pokémon/Pokémon TCG]

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[Scandinavia and the World]

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[Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, "Hushabye Mountain"]

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation, Crusher/Picard]

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(Fight Club)

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Like the main character is mentally ill and everything is going to hell because of his delusions. Or have I gotten the wrong end of the stick here?

I wouldn't exactly use that terminology personally. But it's definitely not endorsing the Tyler Durden position or the whole Fight Club mentality. It is pretty obviously critical of both those things - at least the movie is.

A lot of its fans take it at face value or agree with Durden though, which is where its hatedom really comes from - backlash against shitty guys who view the movie as a justification to be shitty, when its anything but.

They needed to hit that point a little harder than the split second they did in the film, though, with the Project Mayhem splice. It's like in Captain America: Civil War where they basically were supposed to be saying "Superheros fighting each other is a bad thing! Look at what it does to the world!" and yet the filmmakers staged the biggest fight in an empty airport and glorified all the violence...and all the damage that happened to civilians happened to nameless, faceless vehicles in the tunnel and you never saw the actual body counts or the faces of all the police officers that Cap and Bucky maimed in the apartment building.

It contradicts its own message, just like with Fight Club: no one remembers the last second and the splice that means there's no happy endings, Project Mayhem still exists. And the book's ending is a hell of lot bleaker, of course. They must have tested that ending and audiences found it too depressing or something. I wonder why.

It is. But the fanbase of dudebros are too dumb to understand that Tyler Durden is critique of toxic masculinity and not someone your supposed to want to emulate. Instead they worship him as if he is an ideal. I still like Fight Club though, it's not the movie's fault dudebros are too stupid to get it.

No, you're absolutely right. The entire point of the story is to condemn the whole 'I am tough manly man, violence is the only freedom, all social mores are oppression' mindset.

Unfortunately the movie kind of shot itself in the foot a bit by changing the ending, but you're still not supposed to come out of it applauding Project Mayhem. Which doesn't mean people don't, because misaimed fandom has been a thing since the dawn of time, but there are people who agree wholeheartedly with satire, too.

THIS.

I've always thought it was interesting (if a bit frustrating) that because of how they changed the ending for the movie, the movie ends up very nearly being antithetical to what the book is saying. Like, I agree with you that even in the movie you're not supposed to come out of it applauding Project Mayhem, but at the same time the way that final scene plays out and is filmed, there's something weirdly, disturbingly triumphal about it. I mean, there he is, way above the city, surveying what he has wrought, with Marla at his side. We're meant to be kind of creeped out by it, but also maybe kind of fascinated and thrilled?

I actually love the movie, despite or even because of its ambiguity. But I love the book more. And what really makes me love the book is that underneath all the creepy shit, I've always felt it's a book that believes deeply in the value and necessity of kindness and human connection.

I think it makes male frustration with their role in culture understandable (not feeling manly, materialism, etc), but it definitely doesn't praise what occurs as a result.

I actually saw it used as a good example of how most children's TV shows attempts at morality fail and actually make the behavior/mindset worse. Because you have to spend more time condemning a behavior than you do showing it off.

So if you spend 20 minutes showing Main Character being racist and 2 at the end going 'and now we see that racism is bad!' all the kids remember is the 20 minutes of Main Character being racist and are more likely to mimic that behavior because that's what entertained them for the bulk of the time. So Fight Club spends the vast bulk of the movie entertaining people with toxic masculinity ideals and then at the very end puts in a "What a twist, that was bad all along." ending and it doesn't make the same impression. It's nearly two hours of "This behavior is fun to watch!" vs. a couple minutes of "This behavior is bad, don't do it, ok?" and it's easy to see which sticks in people's heads more.

That's what I got from the film. Haven't read the book.

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Isn't it supposed to be sort of a condemnation of that mindset?

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