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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-22 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #3731 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3731 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-22 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
As compared to how art is rewarded under socialism and communism?

(Anonymous) 2017-03-22 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't be a goddamn idiot. You don't have to be, and you shouldn't have to be, a staunch supporter of Maoism-Leninism to be critical about the present capitalist system.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-22 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
+100

(Anonymous) 2017-03-22 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, fail. If you can't make a rational argument without resorting to calling names, it's pretty obvious that you don't have a rational argument.

And that's because art is not rewarded any better under socialism or communism.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-22 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, first of all, there is absolutely no sense in which being critical of the present system necessarily implies advocating a socialist or communist system. This is just a basically true thing that makes it difficult to think of your argument as anything other than nonsense.

Second, I do not believe that capitalism is obviously and indubitably the best system for arranging the economic functions of human existence. We should expect there to be issues arising with the distribution of goods and services under capitalism - it would be astonishing if there weren't problems.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-23 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
"Goods are tangible objects that satisfy people's wants."

The fine arts are not goods. They are the expression of creativity. People make art even when nobody pays for it; art has no intrinsic value and is worth what people are willing to pay for it. That's going to be true no matter what type of economic system you have.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-23 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't claim that art is just an economic factor, but it is - among other things - a good, and trying to divorce it from its economic and social context does not seem helpful, to me. And so I think it makes sense to talk about the ways that capitalism incentivizes / rewards / makes possible or impossible the creation of various kinds of art.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2017-03-23 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
To be fair, art is funded under socialism and communism. The catch of course is, there is a choice on who to subsidize. in communism, these were generally people who - at least subtly - made art in line with the spirit of communism. In socialism it' more complex, but obviously a selection is still made based on the budget for subsidies.

Neither system is inherently worse for art, either. But if we're taking about small time unknown artist - they're not likely to get funded under any system.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-23 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
>subtly

Not usually so subtle. ;)

Art is subsidized under capitalism too, at least until a certain person eliminates the NEA.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-23 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
Which has nothing to do with anything at hand. Heck, if anything this is closer to anarchy.