[ SECRET POST #3732 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3732 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

YOI has thousands of fans. Those LGBT stories by LGBT authors, not so much. It's pretty obvious that there are lots of people who claims to watch YOI for the LGBT representation are ignoring the LGBT stories by LGBT authors.

[(Anonymous)]

Or, or... YOI is much more accessible and in your face exposure wise than those other stories?

And honestly, I have no idea the sexuality of 99% of the authors I read.

[(Anonymous)]

Hourou Musuko or Aoi Hanada are pretty accessible (you can watch or downloaded them anywhere) and almost nobody watched it.

[(Anonymous)]

After googling both, I honestly might watch Hourou Musuko, but probably wouldn't watch Aoi Hanada. Mostly because I really don't enjoy slice of life type anime/manga, regardless of the romantic pairings. It's just so boring to me.

With YOI the relationship seemed less incidental to the plot. Like, if something like Prince of Tennis or Ao no Exorcist or something had canon gay (regardless of the sexuality of the writer) I'd be more likely to watch something like that, if it was incidental to everything else going on.

Big Serious Drama just honestly isn't my thing, though I obviously don't speak for everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Is Horou Musuko not a lesbian manga? Not that I do not read those as I love anything with explicitly gay and lesbian characters but would not compare that to Yuri on Ice. However, would say there are same on the level of boring me but first one was due to being about kids and liked only one manga about kids: class 5-11. Shin-chan and Detective Conan as well but they are not very queer (Kaitou Kid somewhat is but that is up for interpretation).

[(Anonymous)]

It's a slice of life about a transgirl. She ends up dating a girl, but the lesbian relationship isn't the main plot.

[(Anonymous)]

SA you replied to - glad I was right as such manga is needed and especially for peers of those characters but for me it was just not the thing and not because of lesbian trans woman as she is clearly introduced with no in-betweens (sans lesbian part, I just went to the end). It probably is a very different thing - school-aged manga unless it is last year or has drop outs is nothing I can parse - same as manga aimed for older people because you often get corporation workers that have vague jobs, have vague families and vague personality and so on.

[(Anonymous)]

And yet both are pretty well known.

Aoi hana (HANA, not hanada) is pretty good, Hourou Musuko ended rather disappointingly tho.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

There were a bunch of lesbian relationships happening in series during the same season that YOI aired but you never would have known it because all you heard about was YOI. The only reason I found out about it is because I'm friends with a lesbian who eats up every bit of lesbian representation she can find. One of them looked really cute too, there was a soft butch girl with a femme. I was impressed when she showed me pictures. I wish I could remember the name.

[(Anonymous)]

Winterprison and Sister Nana?

[(Anonymous)]

Or, you know, it was a groundbreaking anime about a SUPER popular sport that had crazy attention to detail and was supported by actual athletes, some of whom even PLAYED THEMSELVES in the show.

But yeah, the yaoiz and wimminz.

[(Anonymous)]

"some of whom even PLAYED THEMSELVES in the show"

Not just that, some that even asked to be in the show (Oda!)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, hon, and that's why all the merchandise and events and side material focus on the sports side pf the show... Oh wait, no, they don't, it's all about husbandos and gay shipping and gay fanarts and gay fanfics.

All people cared about the show was the gay shipping, the sports fans were a minority. I think it's hilarious that everyone accepts that shounen and seinen sports anime are only as popular as they are because of fujoshi, but when we have a sports anime that actually panders to fujos, now is all about the sports, no one is watching it for the homolust guyz.

[(Anonymous)]

There was at least one show/event about skating with people involved in competitive and professional skating as a guests.

There's also the rink decorated after Ice Castle Hasetsu during a promotional event which, according to fans who have gone both to see it and to skate there, is crowed most of the time.

But sure, no one cares about the sport and no events are about skating. Because as long as it's Japan-only you can pretend none of that is real and complain about the merchandise (which, duh, of course it's going to be character centric).

And let's not talk about that ice show where a junior skater is going to skate a song of the show, because it's all about shipping and skaters and skating fans are a minority that doesn't count, because no one really cares about the sport.

Oh, and those tourism campaigns in are... about shipping too? Somehow? Is Saga's government selling doujinshis... sorry, gay fanarts and gay fanfics, to get fans to visit Karatsu?

[(Anonymous)]

2 sports events and a couple of guys skating to the show vs 99% of the merchandise, thousands of fanarts, fics and discussion being about the gay shipping? Totally the same, right. Most people are watching it for the sports, of course!

There are fujos who came for the gays and learned to enjoy the sports too? Of course. But thinking that most of the fans watch it for the skating is ridiculous. Do you also believe that most people play Kancolle for the ships and not for the waifus? That Touken Ranbu fans came for the swords and not the husbandos and gay shipping? Please.

You're so deep down is not even funny. There's nothing wrong with your favorite show being popular only because of fujos, darling. Get over it.

[(Anonymous)]

You really hate this show and just spill bs to cause wank, don't you? You aren't even a charming troll tho.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean Shuumetsu no Izetta and Flip Flappers? The shows that were fetishistic about lesbianism and underage girls? Okay.

[(Anonymous)]

oh shuuut the fuuuuck uuuup. most of the people who like yuri on ice are fucking gay themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

You wish. Most fans are fujoshi. I'm sorry (and I'm being honest here, I think it sucks) but there are not enough LGBT fans to make something as popular as YOI is. This is the reason why yuri and bara are so niche but BL and fujoshi pandering shows are huge.

[(Anonymous)]

you realize you can be gay and be a fujoshi right

[(Anonymous)]

da

But fujoshi pandering crap isn't actual LGBT representation tho. Being a fujoshi is not a fucking political statement and you aren't helping anybody with it. Stop pretending it helps in any way. A lot of LGBT people in Japan feel fujoshi and male-gaze lesbian pandering shit in Japan has actually fucked things up for LGBT representation because people don't like LGBT representation that isn't catering to fujoshis or straight men.

I'm a queer man and I enjoy stupid bromance-y action movies and anime because it really gets me going to imagine straight guys falling for each other and then they have their Only For You revelation wherein gay sex (whether they be cis men, trans men, a cis guy and a trans guy, whatever) is super hot in the context of fucking someone who you love. It's hot, romantic, cute, all that good shit, it hits a lot of the tropes I enjoy like mixed sexualities, first times, etc.

But I don't pretend my wank material is doing absolutely anything for actual LGBT representation. In fact a lot of what I enjoy for wank material probably isn't very good for LGBT representation. I could make the argument that I think the pushback against "it's okay if it's you" stuff has gone too far in the other direction considering how many "guys with exceptions" and their boyfriends (and even husbands) I've known IRL, but the rest of it is the same kind of "mmmaaaaayyyybbbeee not the bext thing to associating with LGBT causes" stuff most porny things tend to be.

Why people want to pretend fujoshi shit is somehow different I'll never know. Your wank material is not helping LGBT people.

[(Anonymous)]

bitch tell me where did i say that this is lgbt representation. i said that gay people (mostly gay girls) like this shit. if it speaks to them on some level, if it resonates with them, then it's meaningful. how BL has impacted the japanese lgbt scene is one thing, but their culture is not ours, whereas media for girls, especially gay girls, is not only scarce, but constantly ridiculed. fuckers like you are not The Actual Woke Ones for shitting on girls because they don't like The Right LGBT Content. you're just more shitty misogynists trying to make girls feel bad about something that's important to them.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol you basically implied it because you twisted the other anon's words and pretended they said you can't be gay and a fujoshi at the same time when they were pointing out that it's mostly straight and bi women who are into this.

And it is. Lesbian women into BL/slash/whatever are definitely in the minority, it's overwhelmingly straight and bi women. The vast majority of lesbian women are into femmeslash.

LMFAO. "You're a misogynist because you're calling out my jerk off material waaahhhh". Sweetheart that don't scare me. Guess what, women are not above criticism for perpetuating shitty crap, and pretending that the endless pages of ukes with eyes the size of dinner plates and Yaoi Hands semes with heads the size of peas are somehow awesome representation or anything other than the fucking jerk off material that it is, that is my problem. That's the entire fucking conversation here. YOI fans pretending that YOI is awesome representation instead of BL-lite.

You can like problematic shit. I genuinely do not care. Jerk off to BL all day, it does not matter to me. I have plenty of problematic things I enjoy, really stupid things that are cheesy and dumb and have a host of crappy issues about them.

But do not pretend doing any of this is anything more than that. It's not a political statement to like BL/yaoi/slash no matter how much you want it to be. It's not "empowering" to fetishize gay and bi, cis and trans men just because you happen to be female.

[(Anonymous)]

if u ACTUALLY think the vast majority of lesbian women who like anime or other nerd shit are more, or solely into femslash you might actually be an idiot lol. not to imply that we don't, but uh, the amount of quality lesbian content made by and/or for lesbians is extremely lacking, both in quality and quantity. and because a lot of women have difficulty relating to or projecting onto female characters to begin with because of the lack of depth or thought put into them compared to male characters, many fall back on m/m because it feels like a safer/more comfortable outlet to project onto or consume.

you're upset that women are navigating the issues society has inflicted on them by creating this stuff and relating to it and finding meaning in it. you're mad because a woman sexualized a man's ass? cry me a fucking river, dickhead