[ SECRET POST #3735 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3735 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But it sounds like they are equating incest to incest kink.

"Incest ships aren't my thing" is speaking about incest kink. "Incest is wrong" sounds like incest kink ships = incest.

The person is asking about ships, and got a reply about the morality of incest. I don't think they're the ones reading it wrong?

[(Anonymous)]

The chain of logic could equally be:

1) Incest is morally wrong
2) Ships/kinks that would be morally wrong IRL aren't my thing
3) therefore incest ships aren't my thing

There's a whole penumbra of uncertainty around the relationship between thinking that incest is wrong, and not liking the ship, and jumping to kinkshaming as the explanation seems a little uncharitable. I'll accept OP wasn't clear, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it's unclear enough to make me wonder if OP thinks people who ship incest ships don't think RL incest is wrong- if OP doesn't ship it because incest is wrong, then the people who do must disagree, right?- so I can't blame the others for their reaction to it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, but the essence of not liking a certain kink is often because you think the idea of it is wrong.

I mean, obviously it's fictional characters, but some things just offend people so much that if they're ASKED and tell the truth, it's a little stupid to roast them for their opinion. I mean, who cares what other people think of your kink anyway? Don't ask if you don't want to know.

I've seen this concerning everything from cheating to vore. If someone's kind of offended by people cheating on their partner IRL, it stands to reason that it may not be their fictional kink either. I love cheating fic and hookerfic, but I don't champion these IRL, however, I don't get offended if someone hates these altogether because of their personal views of cheating or prostitution because I'm not a big crybaby who thinks other people have to like my kinks.

Sorry, but Wincesters manufacture this weird outrage all the time, even though nobody's going out of their way to slam incest involving the brothers in fandom spaces without provocation except people new to fandom who don't know the etiquette involving kinkshaming yet.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like Snape/Hermione because teacher/student ain't my thing, but I'm not going to go on a HP fic community and say "teacher/student is wrong." For someone to say I'm breaking kinkshaming rules of the community if I said that, I would think is fair.

Now, if someone asked that on my private journal and I replied to them with that, and I got banned from a separate community for it, that's bullshit, of course. But if I went and did it, even if asked, on the community that says not to? I don't blame the mods for this one.

I'm not a Wincester, ftr.

[(Anonymous)]

But see, if someone ask me why I don't ship Snape with adult Hermione, my answer would be: Their dynamic doesn't do it for me, I don't read the characters as people who would be good together. I don't have a charitable enough view of Snape's character to feel he deserves Hermione or would treat her right.

OTOH, if someone asked me why I don't ship Snape with fourth year Hermione, my answer would be: Because seeing statutory rape depicted as sexy squicks me out big time.

In either case, "It's just not my thing," would really be a non-answer. "It's just not my thing," is like a politicians answer; it's very diplomatic, but it doesn't really tell you anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Neither of those answers sound like moral judgment to me. Their dynamic doesn't do it for you. This depiction squicks you. Sure. People are squicked by all manner of things for all manner of reasons; that's on them and a personal thing.

Notice how you didn't say, "because teacher/student is wrong."

You say diplomacy like it's a bad word, when no, being polite should be the default in a communal space. On your own journal, like I said, is another thing.

It's not what OP said, it's how they said it that can be read as being judging of others. I don't care if OP doesn't like incest. I don't care for incest either. I'm not about to go into a comm full of incest kink ships and declare "incest is wrong," just like I'm not going to go into a comm full of dubcon or rape fics and go "rape is wrong" even if people ask why I don't like it, because that's a silly thing to do that is obviously going to make people feel like I'm judging them for shipping the totally fictional things they ship??

[(Anonymous)]

I just saw on tumblr a group of wincesters go and harass an incest survivor, who said they were an incest survivor and thus didn't like reading incest fics as she felt they normalized incest. Thing is, she said it in her personal journal, as a reply to an anonymous question that asked why they didn't ship Wincest, and tagged the answer correctly. So there was no reason for the Wincesters to go against this person. One even went as far as to say that incest was perfectly normal (There's a small weird group that do act as if they champion IRL incest and also insist that no, incest between brothers is not gay. I just don't get those people). And yet... apparently, THEY are the victims because people don't celebrate incest as a kink.

[(Anonymous)]

That... that's horrible.

[(Anonymous)]

Supernatural fandom: bringing the crazy since 2005.

[(Anonymous)]

Haha these are the same people who get angry that others say Dean is bi!

"Dean isn't bi, but...he's in a relationship with his brother!"

Despite only dating women on the show, they don't count, just his brother. Ok.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never been able to figure out how it doesn't "count" as teh icky ghey because they're brothers. It's like underwear gnomes and profit: there's a step in there that I just can't wrap my brain around.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, but the essence of not liking a certain kink is often because you think the idea of it is wrong.

This, thank you.

Probably 99% of the stuff I view as distinctly wrong in RL is stuff I'm squicked out by when someone writes about it in an erotic way.

OP's reply makes perfect sense to me. If you don't want to know why someone doesn't like your ship, don't ask them why they don't like your ship.