[ SECRET POST #3752 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3752 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone explain to me what the big problem Wheadon supposedly has with female characters is? I haven't noticed any difference between them and his male characters. They're all fairly inconsistent but it seems like "it's different because women" more than anything else.

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of been a thing in recent years mainly because liberal feminism has changed a lot so people have gotten hyper critical of his female characters, largely because he calls himself a feminist but some of his views are out dated (or people are taking writing he literally did years ago to try to scrutinize anything about him.)

I will grant he has a few problems in his writing and cliches he overuses, but the man also does a lot for places like Equality Now so he's not the piece of sexist scum some people will try to make him out to be.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Not a big problem, but he keeps getting held as the exemplar of feminism in the genre while there's still a glass ceiling in both Hollywood and comics (although I think Marvel and DC may be in California these days), both for creators and characters. Two decades after Buffy, and we're still getting think pieces about whether Hunger Games and Fury Road are exceptions to the rule that action-adventure with a female lead won't sell.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get it either. *shrugs*

[(Anonymous)]

His female characters aren't bad in and of themselves, but they tend to be quite samey - or at least fall into certain patterns - in a way that is easy to mock, and makes for bad Representation and bad writing, especially given his (partly self-appointed) status as an important icon of genre feminism.

my point is just that I would prefer someone else - ideally a woman - would get a chance to make a Batgirl film, instead of it being Another Whedon Thing

[(Anonymous)]

This exactly. Don't get me wrong, Whedon's female characters were cutting edge for the 90s... but it's 2017. People expect a little more from a high profile self proclaimed feminist than "tiny white girl who kicks ass" or "white girl who is sad and broken from her abusive past". So the problem isn't that Whedon has suddenly become terrible, it's that he hasn't changed with the times and his characters look more and more outdated as time goes on.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, why "white girl" when these are white characters to begin with?