[ SECRET POST #3756 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3756 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Elementary, Joan Watson]


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[Overwatch]


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[the new miniseries Anne based on L.M. Montgomery's Anne of Green Gables]


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[Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen/The Dark Crystal]


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(Legion)


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(Persona 4, Kanji x Naoto)


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[Voltron: Legendary Defender]







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Comments

[digitalghosts]

I did mean it in same context as you - indeed in their area it was the case and if I recall there was the whole Protestant vs. Presbiterian debacle. Marilla definitely warmed up to Anne when she stopped being oppositional (usually the moot point was that Anne did not mean to be). However, Margarette was even more strict and disliked Anne being outspoken.

I am uncertain if Anne conciously tried to prove she is as good as a boy as she felt pretty ashamed to want to be more feminine and lusting after a less simple dress plus dreaming about adult hairstyles along with Diana. It could have been also the fact that well ... Matthew and Marilla favoured simplicity but to Anne it was instilled by previous guardians (never demand much as an orphan and so on).

For me it would be IC if she said it in a defiant way not girl power way (she could have but possibly at series end as she had a variety of kids and they escaped norms). Felt secret's OP implied that work division never varies and it is never possible for women or men to do other stuff (as in not in book's world but overall).

Will have to watch the show but same as others - preferred other versions and even anime one (it focused more on pre-Avonlea time).

[tree_and_leaf]

Presbyterians are Protestants, not sure what your point is here?

[digitalghosts]

Apparently my version translated them as as Anglican branch while Anglicans were protestant (well they could be considered as such but a mistake on translator's part). My point was that in that area they were more into puritanical values (to me that is). Strangely translation also had Rachel Lynde as Margarette Lind which I never noticed till looking religion in book up.

Edit: This was even wronger as it was apparently Presbyterians vs. Methodists. Not certain if any had puritanical values in that area at the time but Polish translation from 1911 added that and since we were big on religious differencies - it was not within a humour context.

What is better - been deadly certain Presbyterians are an English thing. Yes, I live in Scotland.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh...

1. Presbyterians are Protestants. Much later on in the series, the books contain some mention of Methodists (who are also Protestants) vs. Presbyterians, but it's not really a major plot point, nor is it entirely serious. Definitely not a "debacle". It's more tongue in cheek than anything else.

2. Margarette? I'm assuming this is a typo or a character in the miniseries, because it's not a character in the books.

3. "I am uncertain if Anne conciously tried to prove she is as good as a boy as she felt pretty ashamed to want to be more feminine and lusting after a less simple dress plus dreaming about adult hairstyles along with Diana." - What? This is not a thing that happened in the books, are you trying to say it happened in the miniseries? Because it sounds very OOC and not even correct for the time period. It's highly unlikely a young girl would feel "ashamed to want to be more feminine" because wanting to be feminine was considered a good and proper goal. The problem of wanting a dress with puffed sleeves wasn't that it was too feminine, but that it was arguably wasteful. Fabric costs money, as do trimmings. The dress with puffed sleeves was store bought rather than homemade. All of that clashed with Marilla's belief that children should be dressed plainly and practically and without the added expenditure of a store bought dress. I feel like that is one of the major plot points and very clear, if you've read the books.

4. "For me it would be IC if she said it in a defiant way not girl power way" - A young girl saying "Girls can do anything boys can do" would have been considered defiant in the social context. Remember, this was set in a small rural community in the late 1800s, where traditional gender roles were the strictly enforced norm. People absolutely believed that there were things boys could do that girls couldn't - and shouldn't. The miniseries inserted that message because it fits in with a modern audience, not because it suited the setting or the character. That's what people are taking issue with here, the fact that it feels heavy handed.

5. "(she could have but possibly at series end as she had a variety of kids and they escaped norms)" - Did they? Walter was the only one who deviated slightly from the norm in that he wasn't a traditionally masculine sort of boy and he loved poetry. The rest of the children may have gotten into scrapes thanks to their imagination and impulsivity (like Anne) but by the time the series ended they were all heading down conventional paths, i.e. marriage and family - exactly like Anne did. This is another reason why a very modern message like "Girls can do anything boys can do" doesn't feel appropriate for a character who gave up her teaching career as soon as she got married, gave up her hopes of a career as a writer, and ended up like most women did in that time period: married to the boy next door, with bunches of kids and her main identity being the doctor's wife and a mother.

6. "Felt secret's OP implied that work division never varies and it is never possible for women or men to do other stuff (as in not in book's world but overall)" - Eh? This is fandom secrets. The secret is clearly about the fandom and specifically mentions the books twice within the context of the secret. They also specifically mention Anne's situation re: farm work. Why would you think that OP isn't talking about the books but has instead made a social commentary secret about the world in general? That doesn't make any sense.

[digitalghosts]

1. Looked at your comment after other OP's and seems it was not even what I thought now from looking at Island's history.

2. It was Rachel Lynde - my version had her as Margarette Lind. I don't think they changed any other names.

As for Anne and matching up to boys - it was not me saying that she loathed some role division but she did try to prove herself by all ways possible.

Generally only the first book had the mixed tone of 'orphans should not demand much', 'children are not meant to be extravagant' and that she was excentric for liking frills in a 'bad kid' way. Should have specified that it was not feminity vs. masculinity but more of 'being a delicate and tragic lady from books' vs. 'what society wanted from her according to her'.

The translation I had did add her not being a boy to self doubt but in the beginning - she never wanted to be one or really compared but it was just her not doing a grand job in her head.

Have meant that she potentially could say that to mean some sort of equality thing in the very end - so when she was elderly but at that moment she was more concentrated on her losses and war criticism (after WW2 [edit: apparently it was during not after].

Update: Did watch the first episode and it was indeed the modern context, would have been IC if she said that she can try. As to your 06 and why I felt OP meant it in a general way was the tone and afraid that most of people on F!S do mean to apply stuff to everyone and everything.

However, this made me wonder why translation varied in tone as definitely before WW1 so it was not USSR agenda. Did double check with those who read same one and it was indeed framed as some serious religious battle between Protestants and Presbyterians (no one really noticed as the common distinctions still are that Protestants are Hugenots or Calvinists, Anglicans are run-away Catholics and Presbyterians are some off-kilter Puritan branch - it is pretty stupid it never occurred to me to check at all as it really never came up nor did it for anyone else and that would be from 1960s till now).

Ahem, will have to re-read originals it seems as a lot of stuff might be wonky so sorry to have commented foolishly.

[(Anonymous)]

The dress with puffed sleeves was store bought rather than homemade.
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Minor detail (and I'm late to the party so I don't know if anyone is even going to see this), but I'm pretty sure in the book that Rachel Lynde made the dress, because Matthew ended up being too shy to talk to anyone in the store. So he went to Rachel for help. The movie changed it to be a store-bought dress (and changed the color of the dress - I believe it was a rich brown color in the book, not the light blue of the movie).