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I think inner cities were nicer places to live when the buildings were in a bit of disrepair. I'm not talking full on slum and rookery with people crammed 20 to a room, but a bit of graffiti, the occasional missing stair and broken window, some crumbling brickwork and slow garbage pick up. When the bridge and tunnel crowd was the rich folks living out in distant suburbia and vacant lots were not full of construction equipment. I think that cities were better places to live then. Certainly a lot more fun.

yeah, a lot of people think gentrification is not entirely positive

I think Giuliani and Koch ought to be shot for what they did to NYC and Manhattan. Turned the place into a goddamn theme park.

My take here is that approximately 95% of this is down to structural economic and urban planning decisions in society at large. I don't think you can assign much individual responsibility to Koch and Giuliani, or whoever you have in whatever place you want to talk about. It's structural forces far over any of their heads that even put them there in the first place. And if you want to solve it, you can't just yell about Giuliani and Koch - you have to address those same structural forces.

How you get the leverage to change those structural forces, I don't know. Probably you can't and we're all just fucked.

"I'm not talking full-on slum, I'm talking, like... quarter-on slum. That's the right amount of poverty for my aesthetic tastes."

You can fuck one hundred percent the hell off.

I should fuck off outta sight like the poor people do so you can have your nice clean place? Yeah, you fuck off first pal.

You prolly shouldn't evaluate poverty based on its aesthetic value

...That is the opposite of what they said.

"I like poverty as an aesthetic! but not TOO poverty-stricken, I don't want to be confused for those icky slum-dwellers!"

That's how you're coming across.

No, that is exactly what they are saying.

You have weird reading comprehension, then. Because that is literally not what they said, you just don't like us poor people calling you on your bullshit.

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I was the poor people, dipshit, and I'm a shitload happier not to be in a place where people's windows get broken.

Just genuinely curious here, but did you grow up in a similar environment? I have relatives who live in a part of LA that's slowly undergoing gentrification and, while they're glad that the area is cleaner and a little safer, the cost of living there is going up and some "hipster" stores catering to people who buy stuff like fifteen dollar muffins are pushing out the mom and pop stores where they'd buy their groceries and household items.

Yeah. I moved out to university when I was seventeen and was never able to return home because in the name of slum clearance the council pulled down all the buildings I grew up with and replaced them with luxury apartments for rich fuckers and shipped all the original inhabitants, including my mum and nan, off to different suburb towns. My mum went to one down Southside and my nan got sent to one up to the North East. They just broke up families and neighbourhoods indiscriminately shoving people into whatever housing they had at the top of a list.

Worst part was that all the actual slums were wiped out at least thirty years before due to the hard work of local residents and businesses. It was only when it moved up from slum, tenement, and rookery up to the point where it looked like the land might have value again and location was getting desirable that they broke out the compulsory purchase orders. Now it is just soulless coffee bars at nights, nobody around during the day, and half the apartments are second or third homes and the few larger houses that escaped are all sold to the Russian Mafia or Chinese people smugglers.

*shudder*

I'm so sorry, anon.

That fucking sucks, anon. I'm so sorry. The last bit about the slums being wiped out due to the hard work of the people living there makes me so sad because so many people think that the poor people who live in those areas want to live there even though they don't have a choice because it's expensive every where else. Then they go and try to improve the area of the city they call home and someone else swoops in to gentrify the area and diminish all their hard work. So fucking unfair.

Cities were more fun when cost was lower, even if still expensive, cities used to be livable places where creatives and new businesses could thrive. Now it's pretty impossible for any business that isn't already a big name to buy any property (and hell even big names struggle in places like San Francisco, I was constantly seeing stores come and go.)

Housing cost is just too much, and this is a problem everywhere.

I think inner cities were nicer before cars were so ubiquitous and lots of independent neighborhood businesses could thrive because people weren't just going to jump in their cars and drive to the Walmart in the suburbs (or the one that was built where the factory used to be) and they hadn't destroyed the heart of the neighborhood in order to build a freeway and public transit was actually useful because there was no other way for most people to get around and it hadn't yet been systematically dismantled by petroleum companies and people in the suburbs hadn't started flipping out over the idea of spending money on public transit because back then they needed the trolley, too, and wanted it to come out to where they lived so they could ride it rather than living in fear that The Wrong Sort of People would use it to come to their neighborhood and rob them (as if The Wrong Sort of People don't have cars now, too?) and there were more manufacturing jobs and other jobs available so "working class" didn't have to mean "poor" and people actually got to know their neighbors and looked out for each other even though they were immigrants from different countries who hadn't been there long rather than people whose parents grew up down the street and they boast of how friendly and close the neighborhood is but they really just mean the portion of the neighborhood that is their relatives and childhood friends and they really aren't interested in making friends with new people, even after those people have lived in the neighborhood for a decade.

The destruction of community in America is a massive problem, both in itself and in terms of driving other negative social outcomes, and the thing is that no one has any fucking idea how to deal with it. People know it's happened but no one has anything close to a solution, regardless of political party or whatever.

I lived in the same type of neighborhood, Op, and I heartily disagree.

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