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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-05-20 05:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #501 ]


⌈ Secret Post #501 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 266 secrets from Secret Submission Post #072.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - seizure inducing ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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[identity profile] noni-moon.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! opinions =/= fact! Art is subjective!

SO DON'T START CLAIMING TO KNOW WHAT TRUE ART IS. think whatever you want, but if anyone thinks he/she have the authority to determinant what fans should consider "good art" deserves nothing but a "BITCH PLEASE!" response.

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-20 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
^^^^ butthurt clamp fan

just sayin'

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-20 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
iawtc

Re: 67

[identity profile] srsfnbsns.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Oh shut up! They're right. Art is subjective! There are people who shit in toilets, add food coloring, flush and take a picture of it. Then they hang it up on the wall and call it art. There's some crazy ass "art" exhibit out in Germany with a bunch of people have locked in a gallery with lice infesting their heads. They call that art. Is it art? They think so. I say hell no! But it's subjective! I can't say definitively whether it's art or not. It's a personal thing that each person decides, so your feelings on Clamp are not the be all end all about Clamp's inherent artistic merit.

Everyone has the right to decide for themselves, what art is and what's good and bad.

Re: 67

[identity profile] noni-moon.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
ahahahah, hardly dear!

playing the "she disagrees with me so she must be a bitter fan" card is oooooooold. ( srsly, people hate CLAMP for many valid reasons and they have every fucking reason to. nothing is perfect. but saying "to me the art is shitty" and saying "the art is shitty and thats a fact" is two different things ).

I don't give a flying fuck that the OP is talking about CLAMP. if it were One Peace my point WILL STILL BE THE SAME ( and I happen to think One Peace art is pretty shitty, but hey! I don't preach on people who think otherwise ).

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-21 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
the op isn't saying clamp art is inherently shitty

they're simply stating that as far as art goes, how clear every action is and how big of an impact the layout of each frame has is far more important than the "pretty" art that CLAMP parades around with

I've read my share of CLAMP, and the action scenes ARE a bit harder to follow, and the frames don't have the visual impact that you see in other manga

as far as I can tell, the OP is kind of feeling down because most of fandom has orgasms over art (e.g., CLAMP's) that really isn't anything to sneeze at.

but then again, you'd probably realize that about the secret if you weren't a bitter CLAMP fan who immediately ceases to see logic once someone insults your precious fandom. ;p

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-21 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
one piece >>>>>>>>>> clamp, sry2say

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-21 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
so much agreement here.

Re: 67

[identity profile] wishmasterfuuma.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Why are all of you anonymous?

Own up to your opinions. I believe in the first amendment.

And there are obviously enough in-style CLAMP haters to make a nice sized mob, by now. You're pretty safe.

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-23 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
lol

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-21 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Lol, even after the rebuttal, IAWTC.

Re: 67

[identity profile] noni-moon.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
(they're simply stating that as far as art goes, how clear every action is and how big of an impact the layout of each frame has is far more important than the "pretty" art that CLAMP parades around with)

see, I was actually agreeing with the OP until He/she basicly sumped everything up with the "good art" "bad art" labels, which strucked me like someone was stating a giving fact rather than a personal opinion. if the OP said something like "there much more to good art than just prettiness" then I would've been fine with it.

I could be wrong here. If the OP really didn't mean it that way, then I sincerely apologize for my rudeness.

(as far as I can tell, the OP is kind of feeling down because most of fandom has orgasms over art (e.g., CLAMP's) that really isn't anything to sneeze at).

I holey agree with that ( Berserk to me is WAY more better than CLAMP, art-wise and story-wise ).

(but then again, you'd probably realize that about the secret if you weren't a bitter CLAMP fan who immediately ceases to see logic once someone insults your precious fandom)

I LOL'D HARD XDDDD listen sweetheart, if that's what a bitter fan to you is, then consider yourself damn lucky, hun :p I've dealt with idiots in CLAMP fandom who bitched at me just because I pointed that CLAMP is not god's gift to mankind or as flawless as they believe. TRUST ME ON THIS, you don't wanna deal with this kind of stupidity =_=

I don't get "bitter" because somebody bashed something I love, I get "bitter" when someone treats their opinion and standers as facts. I might be overreacting here, but I've seen this attitude in every single fandom I'm in to the point where I got fud up with it.


(one piece >>>>>>>>>> clamp, sry2say)

LOL, I still find the art shitty as hell, one of the worst I've ever seen ( even thogh I love the manga itself). it's your opion in the end, and srsly anyone who tries to force you to think otherwise based on thier own standers is a fucking jerk.

Re: 67

(Anonymous) 2008-05-23 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
tl;dr lol

it was my understanding that the bad art v good art labels are bad and good by a technical standpoint - e.g., easy to understand, meaningful composition.

like I said...CLAMP fans.