[ SECRET POST #3761 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3761 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Explaining Versus Excusing

[analise]

I hate the "Cool motive, still murder" retort.

Not because it's necessarily wrong but because so many people use it to shut down any sort of actual discussion about characters. As if they automatically 'win' the conversation by invoking it.

Re: Explaining Versus Excusing

[(Anonymous)]

SAME. On one hand you get people saying that they want complex villains with believable backstories and who see themselves as the hero.... and then the minute you start doing that people pull out the "Cool motive, still murder."

Re: Explaining Versus Excusing

[analise]

I mean, you know. Some bad guys are simply bad guys. That's what they do. Maleficent is a good example (the one from Sleeping Beauty not the one played by Angelina Jolie). She doesn't need any explanation or excuse for what she is. She just is and that's cool.

But when you start talking about more human-type characters...well. Most people aren't born evil. Most don't just wake up one day and decide to be evil. Usually there's some kind of backstory or explanation or something that gets them from point A to point B even if it's not an immediately obvious progression.

That's the thing I like to explore/speculate about and to be talking about it and have somebody be like, "yeah but they're totes evil so the rest of it doesn't matter" is just. Irritating.

Re: Explaining Versus Excusing

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Oh I never mind bad guys who are evil for the sake of evil. Bill Cipher from Gravity Falls is a fantastic example too. Sometimes you just want someone who's pure evil. And sometimes it's perfectly fine to slap on the Saturday Morning Cartoon 'I want to take over the world/I want money and power/I want to destroy everything' on a villain and you don't need an explanation.

And then it's also cool when someone can show you the backstory and show you the path that led someone down and you can see their opportunities they had to make the right choice and didn't take. This is also the hardest to pull off since it's easy to end up with a jumbled confusing mess that was Anakin in the prequels (I saw a good review once that it mainly fell flat because it couldn't decide if he fell because of his love for Padme, his anger at the Order, or because he was secretly evil all along and it was hard to reconcile the guy who murders women and children with a guy who's supposedly too in love with his wife. So you couldn't decide if he was a tragic figure, a justified rebel, or a scumbag)

Re: Explaining Versus Excusing

[analise]

Hahahah, don't bring up Anakin, I've spent gallons of digital ink talking about him already. :)

Re: Explaining Versus Excusing

[(Anonymous)]

nyart

And sometimes you have characters who know what they did/are doing/will do is horrible, usually feel guilty about it, but for one reason or another see no other way to solve the situation at hand.

But nooo, let's dismiss that because life must be split up into black and white especially if the character a threat to the fandom OTP and anyone who claims otherwise is clearly just an apologist/hot for them.