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I'm a Social Libertarian, apparently.

Is that different from Libertarian Socialism? That's what I got. Which is weird since I'm really not a fan of libertarianism.

Probably. I think your result is a little more left than mine.

The political alignment is evidently still in progress. The percentages are more accurate to your actual beliefs.

Pretty sure they're using the word "libertarian" in a way that's not closely tied to the specific philosophy of Libertarian full-stop in this context

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. I should probably work on my knee-jerk dislike of the term and remember the broader definitions.

Yeah, it's frustrating, but there's also probably no labels they could use that would be clear and obvious, because political labels are a mess of insane nonsense

I also got Libertarian Socialism which??? I've never claimed any kind of libertarianism.

Libertarian Socialists are more like anarcho-syndicalists than like the USA Libertarian Party.

Well that makes sense. I've gotten social anarchism in other similar quizzes before.

I got Democratic Socialist. But also, tests like this are so meaningless and it really frustrates me. There's no political tests that get at meaningful differences of principle. It's entirely just yay/boo about specific policies and tribal identification. Like, the test doesn't treat the statements that you are agreeing and disagreeing with as principles or viewpoints with any deeper validity - it's just whether you agree or disagree with a ideological position, purely as an empty ideological position. It's an actively harmful and reductive way to think about politics. It's bad. I'm frustrated about it.

I agree with you if I take time to analyze it, but I treat these things like any other internet personality test, taking them because I'm interested in what the questions are like and how close the end result will match how I see myself.

I don't think this test knows what Libertarian means.

It's not wrong. the meaning they're using is valid. it's just a bad choice because of the assumptions and shit that people take to it

Could you tell me what meaning they're using?

Because according to this quiz, a person who agrees with Government regulations being very necessary in the free market, that capitalism is okay, and raising taxes is Libertarian.

No, they're saying someone who agrees with those things is a libertarian socialist. Because compared to other socialists, they tend to emphasize liberty and freedom slightly more than equality, and they tend to be skeptical of the state as an instrument for distribution - they're more skeptical of governmental and state power, and they're more interested in non-state avenues for socialism, and comfortable with the idea that markets can have utility and be useful if properly arranged, and they're concerned with human rights and social freedoms and checks on governmental power in a more marked way than non-libertarian socialists.

Except it said I'm a social libertarian, so they aren't.

OK, that's probably just bad language to use

I can still see what they're driving at, and I would still argue that they're using it in a technically-correct way (because it's an accurate word to describe the kinds of concerns and viewpoints that I described above as distinguishing libertarian socialists from other socialists), but there's just no way anyone on earth is going to understand it that way when "libertarian" is the actual noun being used. it's just not the way the word is used in the US anymore.

I got Social Liberalism, whatever that is.

Economic Axis: Centrist (57.1% Wealth)
Diplomatic Axis: Balanced (51.9% Peace)
Civil Axis: Liberal (62.7% Liberty)
Societal Axis: Progressive (64.6% Progress) Which is at odd with the last one of these I took, where I had quite a high traditionalist score.

Anyway, I always felt I was just slightly left of centre, I just feel some of the left hasbeen a bit alienating and... well... insane a bit of late, but I do think these results fit broadly with how I see myself, even if the political climate right now might put me down as far right.

Yeah, the left is just as insane as the right these days. I mean, not all of us are, but not everyone on the right is batshit. (Imagine that - people can have different ideologies and not be horrible human beings.)

Not just as insane. For Pete's sake. There's absolutely no reason to use this kind of false equivalency. Just criticize the left for the million valid reasons to criticize it. there's no need to do this BOTH SIDES stuff to make that argument.

I dunno. I fancy, if you were into it, I could match you lunacy for lunacy. The horseshoe theory is in full effect so I reckon for every lunatic right winger you care to name I can find their opposite number on the left.

Although thinking about it that depends on perspective. Like, if you're inclined to one side or the other you might see the same action as Atrocious or Perfectly Reasonable depending on which side was doing it. But from my view, I could pick either side and be confident in a draw.

even if the magnitude of the insanity is the same, it's still going to be misleading and wrong to assume that the content and the nature of the insanity is the same

that's the whole problem with the horseshoe theory and similar things: it assumes that there's this natural law that the two things have to be equal to each other, and there just is not. and so it's misleading and causes misunderstanding, which is bad.

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