[ SECRET POST #3768 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3768 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

That's exactly what happened. The show tried to no homo every single homo moment.

[(Anonymous)]

na

THANK YOU. People making me feel like I'm terrible for not being sure if it was canon when the show was the one confusing me.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this bothered me, too. I was on board with them being homo! But the show no-homo'd SO HARD that I honestly find it difficult to wholeheartedly accept the claim that they're irrevocably a couple.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but the show didn't no homo them at all? how in the world could a functioning adult watch the show and not think they were gay? when was it no-homo'd when Yuri explicitly is skating erotically for his one and only Victor? or his theme is love, taught to him by Victor? or the rings and wedding congratulations or Victor saying Yuri asking him to be his coach forever is like a marriage proposal "and in that case, I accept"? and Victor then bursting into tears when Yuri tells him they're ending it?

like, the homo is so clear, except there is no unobstructed kiss or fucking sequence.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you read like...literally any of Kubo's interviews? lmao

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, yes. And she doesn't no homo them. At best, she says "well it's open for interpretation!" which is not "but they aren't gay lol".

[(Anonymous)]

Canon relationships aren't open for interpretation.

[(Anonymous)]

Not taking a definitive stance on how readers must interpret your text is really not the same as denying its homosexual elements or taking a no-homo stance. These are two very separate things and I'm not sure why you are equating them.

[(Anonymous)]

The show has the almost-homo and then the no homo is when the characters never mention it or act like it happened. It doesn't have to be "lol they're not gay". "open for interpretation" isn't a victory.

[(Anonymous)]

Characters mention and react to it. Phichit's "congratulations on your marriage!" for example, and the entire restaurant applauding. The Russian lady skater watching Yuri's free skate while Victor was back in Japan and saying something like, "Imagine what it would've been like if Victor was here" with an obvious romantic undertone. Victor kissing Yuri and the audience looking shocked, as well as the audience reacting when Victor and Yuri act erotically before Yuri's Eros performance (several times). The little Japanese skater kid squeeing and blushing when Victor puts chapstick on Yuri.

The characters are always reacting.

[(Anonymous)]

The restaurant scene was a joke, jokes don't count as canon. Otherwise 9 out of 10 series have gay representation.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not necessarily true. It was a funny moment, that doesn't mean it's not the canon deliberately alerting the audience to the possibility of something being the case. In this instance, Phichit thought they had gotten married - they hadn't, so that was funny and Yuri denies it. Victor says it's just an engagement ring and they'll get married after Yuri wins. It could be Victor just fucking with Yuri (?) or just trying to embarrass him, but there's no denial and the scene is played seriously now because the other competitors all intend to win. Then, broken up with JJ saying he's the one who is going to marry his fiancee.

The whole episode is lighter and more comical in general, but that scene wasn't particularly a joke. I don't know if Yuri and Victor actually consider themselves engaged - I personally doubted they explicitly talked about what the rings really, really meant (or didn't mean) - but it seems a little far to say "lol just typical anime gay jokes, nothing actually gay here". It went beyond that.

[(Anonymous)]

The characters are always reacting.

And they do it positively and accepting it as a fact that no one denies.

In fact Yuuri was only worried of being seen as someone who doesn't take the competence seriously after the photo in the restaurant with naked Victor trying to kiss him.

That's more telling than all the twisted interpretations some people have.

[(Anonymous)]

he's not worried about the photo looking gay because in his world gayness doesn't exist. Even if their relationship is canon, we hear Yuri's inner thoughts and his inner thoughts are totally lacking in any romantic language. He buys a wedding ring and says it's a thank you gift.

Maybe it's canon but canon goes out of it's way to allow for plausible deniability and make everything about figure skating, and that leads to a weird disconnect between the apparent plot and the things Yuri actually says and does.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you misinterpreting the whole "prejudice does not exist in this world" that the author said to suit your point or are you just making this up?

[(Anonymous)]

...We do hear Yuri's inner thoughts during that scene, and I think you need to watch it again. His thoughts are more like, "this is perfect, this is a... um, thank you gift, yes!" It is a lot more implied that it's something that resonates really powerfully with Yuri and he really wants to share them with Victor (things that are flat out marked as wedding rings, btw) and then he's trying to backtrack and not sound too presumptuous. Which is normal for Yuri, who clams up easily. The way he says it sounds like a hasty excuse when he really means the opposite. The acting is just as important as the dialogue.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah sure cause the creator and 2 seiyuu creaming their pants in excitement in the audio commentary for the kiss was just excitement over a hug.

[(Anonymous)]

dude, text is text, extra-textual material is extra-textual. Saying Dumbledore is gay in an interview when there was nothing explicit in canon is still not the same as it being IN CANON.
I don't care if they creamed themselves, you should not have to watch interviews in order to confirm that your homos are in fact homo.

[(Anonymous)]

So why are you using interviews as a proof of anything upthread?

[(Anonymous)]

Because they like moving the goalpost to justify their opinions. Also, because they still don't get that Japan isn't nearly as progressive about gay rights as lots of people think, that anime is a business, first and foremost, and that the vagueness of the show and interviews are deeply connected with these two facts.

[(Anonymous)]

If you call a kiss a no-homo moment, I've to assume you are very desperate probably because you've an ego so big that you can't stand that the show proved you wrong. Or you're homophobic af and can't stand having watching something that wasn't homo-free. Or are trolling.

[(Anonymous)]

Missing the point hard, like very HARD. The problem us the teehee, I was just trying to surprise you comment. But yeah, keep telling yourself that the show didn't try to deromanticize the kiss and give a non homo explanation.

[(Anonymous)]

The joke is on you, seeing as the new event was another YES, HOMO from the canon and included Victor being jealous of the people on Yuuri's past, stating openly he wants to be better than them, and that Yuuri is his now.

But I'm sure you'll delude yourself into thinking that that's another no-homo moment. But if that's what makes you happy... *shurgs*