[ SECRET POST #3768 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3768 ⌋

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[Goodbye to Halos]


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[Great British Bake Off]


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Comments

Re: Inspired by #9

[(Anonymous)]

I think I do, yes, though a lot of my ideas about them overlap with my ideas about consciousness/awareness of self. If someone created a clone of me, right this second, all memories and personality included, and asked me if they were me, I'd answer 'no' straight away. I'm me, they're them, they're just a them with an awful lot in common with me. If that clone and I shared a consciousness, like a telepathy or something, though, then I might have a stickier time of it. If I could feel their self as my self, and vice versa, maybe I'd doubt some. But ... I think I'd still decide I'm me and not them regardless. And vice versa. I think I do think there's a fundamental part of people, independant of thought, memory, body or anything else, that's them and only them.

So, yes? Yes, I think I do believe in souls.

Re: Inspired by #9

[(Anonymous)]

I don't believe in souls but I would have no problem saying the exact copy of me is not me. As soon as it was created, it was experiencing the world from a different perspective from mine, even if it began with something as tiny as standing in a different spot in a room. You are already, immediately different. Souls aren't necessary for that.

Re: Inspired by #9

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, which is why I said it overlapped with my ideas of consciousness, and why sharing a consciousness with said clone would make it a stickier question for me.

Re: Inspired by #9

[(Anonymous)]

But having a shared consciousness with someone experiencing a slightly different perspective of reality with you also makes them definitely not you.

Unless you mean they double up so that you can't tell which one is physically you any more. In which case they'd both be 'you' only with two bodies and there's no 'other'. I don't really see the sticky part.

Re: Inspired by #9

[(Anonymous)]

I meant the latter, yes, and it's why I think I do believe in souls, because on an instinctive, knee-jerk level I don't think I'd feel like 'me with two bodies', I think I'd feel like me and someone else sharing two bodies even if I couldn't pin down who that 'other' was. Though, arguably, yes, that might just be disassociation, feeling like a body that was mine belonged to somebody else because I instinctively felt I shouldn't have two of them, but I'm not trying to prove that the other soul existed here, I'm just saying I think I would believe that it did. Which was the question. I think I do believe in souls.

Re: Inspired by #9

[(Anonymous)]

But I think the other point is: neither you nor the copy have the same relationship to pre-cloning you. You and the copy are having different experiences and are different beings, but both you and the copy could be described with equal legitimacy as being the pre-clone you. You don't have any more legitimate of a claim to that status than your clone does.

Re: Inspired by #9

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on how the cloning happens. Is it a copy of a original which is in a physical location that you are in, which makes you the original? Or are they split in two and neither are the former you?

What I said was the copy wouldn't be 'me' and it wouldn't be. We don't necessarily have to be the 'previous me' either. But we would be separate entities as soon as we were split apart and began experiencing the world in different ways, no matter how slight the difference.