[ SECRET POST #3771 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3771 ⌋

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Comments

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but that's exactly what they are doing.

The people using the terms as insults are the ones trying to redefine them into insults when they are not.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

But there's a point (and I'm really thinking specifically about "trap" here) where the original, "OK" definition just vanishes in practical terms because the distinction has been so thoroughly erased. Yeah, it sucks, but the origin of the term doesn't change the fact that as of now, it actually used as an insult. You can't change that reality.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Respectfully disagree. People call manly women and trans women drag queens all the time as an insult, but that doesn't make the term an insult when applied properly.

The distinction not being there for you doesn't mean it's not there for everyone else.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Respectfully disagree. People call manly women and trans women drag queens all the time as an insult, but that doesn't make the term an insult when applied properly.

But I don't think that's a great example, because that's exactly my point: it comes down to usage. It's not just that people use "trap" as an insult. It's that (in my opinion) we've reached a point with that word where the distinction between the original sense and the insulting sense just no longer really exists. We haven't reached that point with 'drag queen'. It's just a question of how the words are actually used and that's all.

Of course that's just my opinion and you have to make your own choices and all that.

da

[(Anonymous)]

Part of the problem is that the original usage of trap really....is not a thing in western media much at all, whereas drag queens obviously are. So the new/expanded/hurtful definition dominates usage much more easily/quickly in spaces that aren't consuming japanese anime where the trope is common. Lots of people hearing the word have maybe never even seen the original version!

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Also, the basic concept of trap is just by its very nature really, really close to one of the main narratives of transphobia already

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

In the parts of fandom you frequent, that may be true. Nobody I know would apply the term trap to a non-trap because we all know what it means.

To quote you, "You can't change that reality." For "just your opinion," you come off very strongly dismissive of everyone else's experience.

Re: +1

[cbrachyrhynchos]

"Trap" was a derogatory term for trans people going all the way back to The Crying Game (1992).