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⌈ Secret Post #3774 ⌋

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Do you ever think about how dead creators would react to modern fandom? Are you glad they can't see it, or do you wish they could?

The recent spate of Tolkien secrets made me think about this. I remember reading that he had some issues with his fandom while he was alive (IIRC, Lord of the Rings got too popular with hippies and he didn't like it? And maybe thought people weren't "getting" it?) Given that and his religious beliefs, it's probably good thing he didn't live to see people writing dwarf-on-hobbit porn or stories about Feanor putting the silmarils up his ass...

Obviously, this is more about people who died some time ago, not people who died last year or whatever, unless something huge happened in their fandom since then.

I'm pretty sure that Tolkien would be horrified by at least my side of the fandom. Don't care. I love his writing, and I love exploring certain parts of it. Porn is some of that, yes. There are other things, though, that actually happen in canon, he just doesn't go into details. He's the one who wrote Maedhros in Angband and Sauron torturing Celebrimbor to death. Of course fandom is going to explore those things.

But yes, he would hate the current fandom, or at least parts of it. But honestly I think he should be happy that his work has touched so many different people.

Honestly, Tolkien's personality sounds like the absolute most obnoxious. I definitely do not see him celebrating his fans or appreciating them having their fun. He would've hated the LOTR movies, and frankly, I have zero interest in his Christian symbolism so I'm perfectly happy for Death of the Author.... so to speak.

Well, like, I don't want to disrespect Tolkien fandom by any means. But Tolkien fandom definitely is not engaging with his work in the terms in which he understood it. And not just because of the homosexuality. It's that the whole literary approach is totally different.

I often think about how Victor Hugo would react to the modern Les Mis fandom.

How do you think he would react?

Mostly I feel like he wouldn't appreciate the shift of focus away from Valjean to the Every Day Shenanigans of Les Amis (which is an aspect of the fandom I can enjoy if its well done tbh, its just very much not the point of the book), but it is also interesting to think of his opinion on the book/story still being popular and in many ways still relevant, considering there is a line at the beginning of the book basically stating that he hopes that one day the oppression outlined in the book won't be relevant anymore.

Not so much the fandom but the adaptations, but I did kind of think that Alexandre Dumas might get a bit upset at characterisation changes but he would absolutely roll with the weirder batshit settings that crop up in his adaptations from time to time. Given that his approach to accuracy seemed to be that history should never get in the way of a good story, I think he'd roll with, say, the incredibly cheesy 2011 steampunk Musketeers, and I think he possibly might have liked Gankutsuou as an LSD space opera Monte Cristo adaptation once he got over the visual WTF of it.

Just driving by to say I forgot about the existence Gankutsuou. The LSD space opera, with gay. (it was canon right? I think? it's been years, and my brain had trouble processing it all lmao..)

I honestly can't remember myself. I think it was very strongly implied that Franz loved Albert, at least, but I don't think anybody outright said anything? And Albert clearly had very strong feelings towards the Count as well, but I can't remember if anything was canon-canon or just really loud subtext.

(Which is pretty fitting too, since the original Monte Cristo had the very strong Eugenie/Louise subtext as well).

What I'm remembering is that the main character (Albert?) had a male friend (Franz?) who was canon gay. Albert himself didn't seem to return those feelings, but his interest in the Count was really... well, I remember it coming across extremely romantic.

...and at the time I saw it, I hadn't yet read the real book, and had only seen the movie version where Albert is the Count's son. I thought that was the canon, so I had all kinds of confused feelings watch Albert being so in love with the Count, and expecting the "big reveal" that evidently wasn't actually a real thing.

Also, I seem to recall that the anime had a female love interest, who in a preview for the anime had a gay moment with a female friend, but this was ultimately cut and reworked so Franz would be gay or something. So there was a real homosexual element, at any rate.

Yeah, Albert was the main character this time around, and Franz was his (blond) best friend who definitely came across as gay and in love with Albert. I just can't remember if it was acknowledged or not. There was definitely subtext all over the place, anyway.

And, eep, yeah, that would add a different slant to Albert's crush on the Count. That was the 2002 movie, right? The one with Jim Caviezel? I did see that one, but it was so long ago that I think the only real thing I remember about it was the Count's hot air balloon entrance that time and Jacopo being hilarious and long-suffering.

In one of Dumas's crazier scenes, Benedetto gets caught after falling into a hotel room where Eugenie and a cross-dressed Louise are sharing a bed.

pere?

The guy had ghostwriters, doing Monte Cristo sequels. He also rewrote the ending of Hamlet to better market it to French pop culture.

Dumas was an author's author, which is to say his only question if he were alive today would be where could he collect backdated royalties. He wouldn't even raise an eyebrow at Dogtanion and the Muskehounds as long as he got paid.

I wonder if P.G. Wodehouse would have a fit over all the fic with Jeeves and Bertie going at it like bunny rabbits.

The man couldn't even get terribly worked up about Nazis. I suspect he'd simple be insulated from it all. The m/m fandom isn't that huge anyway.

Tolkein had a fandom when he was still alive, and my impression was that he found it weird and off-putting.

I'd like to think that Austen would be doing a fiction blog parodying the worst aspects of celebrity culture, and it would be glorious.

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