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⌈ Secret Post #3774 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Probably because there's still a much larger number of white characters out there to choose from than there are POC characters, so it's easier for people to find white pairings with the dynamics that they like? I mean, unless you're into Asian fandoms, if you pick any given canon, chances are it will have more white characters than POC ones. Which sucks and shouldn't be such a universal constant, but right now, that's the way things are.

[(Anonymous)]

Usually, when people talk about this, they're pointing at fandoms with major black characters who don't get shipped

I do think it's getting better than it used to be, though, most of the examples I can think of are from like a decade ago

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno about how much it's improving. I just got way into Grimm and discovered people shipped Nick with Monroe (who's in a stable, sweetheart relationship with Rosalee) for like 5 seasons rather than his detective partner, Hank, with whom he had awesome chemistry. Nick is white, Hank is African-American. Monroe is white. And needless to say, Hank is way cuter than Monroe, although I guess mileage may vary.

Now admittedly the show is heavily het in ship pairings, but I found exactly 5 Hank/Nick stories on AO3. There are 643 Nick/Monroe works and 400 Nick/Sean (his boss, another white guy!) works. Heck there are an equal number of Nick/Dean Winchester crossover stories as Nick/Hank stories. It's just depressing.

The show just ended this year.

[(Anonymous)]

When I was in Grimm I shipped NickMonroe because they had a LOT of chemistry to me, and also because for at least the first season (I gave up around mid second season), they also share Nick's big secret.

That said, I also super liked Rosalee and MonroeRosalee and I loved Hank (and Sergeant Wu) I just found Nick had different chemistry with Hank than he did with Monroe, and maybe that changed in the later seasons, but I never got that far.

[(Anonymous)]

The dynamic is different though. Nick and Hank are partners who have a long-established friendship when we meet them. On the other hand, we see Nick and Monroe meet in the pilot and watch their relationship develop over time. Prior to meeting Nick, Monroe is a hermit and Nick brings him out of his shell. That kind of thing is catnip to shippers.

That said, I don't ship either pairing. I find it impossible to ship Nick with anyone, and I love Monroe and Rosealie. Are there any Hank/Wu stories? I always thought those two characters had potential together.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who was in the Grimm fandom since the early days, Nick and Hank didn't have some proper interaction in the first two seasons aside from the basic quips to show off their friendship. Nick and Monroe had plenty of Moments, and went from antagonists to close friendship, hence why they were so popular even though Monroe and Rosalee were super adorable in later seasons. The popularity of Nick and Monroe died down a lot in the later seasons when they stopped interacting. First season they were two guys against the world, third season onwards they were just two friends in a group of friends.

Definitely think there should have been more Nick/Hank though. And Nick/Wu. And Wu/Hank. (I shipped pretty much everyone on this show, except for the one that became freaking canon)

[(Anonymous)]

Nick went from one committed relationship to another. Monroe didn't seem like the kind of guy to get between a couple, and then he met Rosalie. Renard was morally grey and semi involved with Adelaide. Putting Wu and Hank together was a bit Pairing the Spares.

I never saw much shipping potential in Grimm.

[(Anonymous)]

It's weird what fandoms will ship and won't ship though. I mean I came out of Frozen shipping Elsa and Kristoff.

Anna/Elsa (Disney) (928)
Anna/Kristoff (Disney) (777)
Elsa (Disney)/Jack Frost (Guardians of Childhood) (318)
Elsa/Hans (Disney) (195)
Anna/Hans (Disney) (185)
Eugene Fitzherbert | Flynn Rider/Rapunzel (111)
Elsa/Kristoff (Disney) (3)

Elsa/Kristoff has a grand total of THREE in which it's mentioned but not a main pairing. Neither of them are POC. The fandom obviously doesn't mind het. It is a mystery!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, there have been times when I've watched something and come out of it going "I bet fandom is all about X/Y" and then gone to look for fic and it turned out that the juggernaut pairing was something completely different from what I had been expecting. You really can't predict which ships people are going to latch onto and for what reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

Elsa/Jack Frost always confounded the shit out of me.

[(Anonymous)]

This is true but I do think there's a lot of racism that is in fandom that not everyone wants to confront.

Like there are a few pairings I thought FOR SURE would be popular because they hit all the slash popular pairing buttons, but then I come to find out that they aren't because the pairing has a black man in it and the most popular pairing in fandom is two white men.

I've seen this happen a few times so it feels hard to only blame Hollywood with it's lack of diversity, fandom itself can be a problem as well.