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[ SECRET POST #3779 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3779 ⌋

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Huh? How does this make any sense?

If anything goes in fiction, then what right do you have to call it out?

Or the opposite, if you're calling it out for not being cool, then anything doesn't go.

not op

Maybe calling it out doesn't have to be hateful?

I *think* what they are saying is write what you want at the peril of being judged / called out.

That's absurd logic. It's a kind of threat - "You go ahead and write what you want, but we're going to rip you to shreds if you write the wrong thing."

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arcadiaego - 2017-05-10 22:05 (UTC) - Expand

Maybe it depends on execution

I read it as "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from response".

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OP is a refreshing change from all the speshul snowflakes who treat all potential readers of fiction as idiot children.
When I read fiction as a reasonably functional adult, I don't need to be told how immoral or immature any given story element is - I just want to enjoy the damn thing. Self appointed moral guardians who tell me what to think, say, or do about fiction can go suck pond scum for all I care.

I agree. It's important to talk about things sometimes (and sometimes just stay the heck away because you know it's going to be bad for you personally). I think there's definitely a way to balance stuff, and a big silent part of fandom does manage it.

Sure whatever, but it's rarely worthwhile to call out fiction and the people who do so rarely do it out of genuine concern for the greater good.

The problem with callouts on tumblr is that they're usually clearly aimed to ostracize and spread hatred about particular users. It's classic middle school drama making "I'll tell everyone about what happened and get them on MY side before they can get anyone on their side"

I've seen legit warning posts and usually those are very obviously different in that they're focused on warning people about a dangerous person explaining why they're dangerous and what they are tangibly doing to people and how and urges people to stay safe. Tumblr callous are ususally vaguely worded and aimed at turning people against a person.

Soo... you're not an anti but you still think people should get "called out"?

I think a clarification of what "ideologically hurtful" might mean in the context of Voltron fanfic would help.

If you really are so concerned about how fiction impacts reality you should be calling out people whose creations are mass distributed and consumed all around the world instead of NNFs who created something you don't approve of.

And no, harassing fans of something "problematic" doesn't count. You're still going after someone who doesn't have any influence just because you can harass them and get away with it, and that is more damaging in reality than watching or creating something that depicts something without supporting it.

I was with you OP, until the last line.

I think we should explore things in fiction and be able to do it without fear.

So if your exploration of something in fiction ended up recapitulating a poisonous racist myth, that's justified and beyond criticism?

I just don't think that's the correct priority

Except that's not the kind of thing that gets called out.

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I've seen people get called out on writing those things about themselves so honestly you have to have wiggle room.

I don't think anyone said that any fiction should be above criticism. Just that there's a culture of things being taken as "if you like this in fiction you MUST like it in real life" or "if you write a crime you're no better than a criminal".

Except...that's not how it works at all. Sry.

Fiction=/=Reality. Period.

Fiction isn't reality, but it does have a relation to reality that we can sensibly understand and talk about, the same way that we can sensibly talk about anything else that people say. Sometimes, that relation is political, or politically significant, and that's okay to talk about. The idea of treating - for instance - The Fountainhead or The Turner Diaries, or even something like Gone With The Wind, as though they had nothing to do with politics or reality is absurd.

I passionately agree with this comment. Well said anon. :)

Look I ain't talking about things that are obviously set in charged political settings.

I'm talking about fucking fanfic. Most of which is just plain old fluff, angst, smut, gen fic, etc.

Fiction ain't fucking reality. And the Tumblerina shits need to learn that and fucking quick.

It is impossible to create fiction in a void away from reality. Period.

It is with FANFIC.

Jesus Christ you people are some dumb mfs.

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I think the big problem is that people confuse harm and immorality. Like the joke routine about everyone getting up in arms about kids hearing cuss words, but I've never seen a hospital ward for kids harmed by them. Where's the march to provide medical care for children exposed to cuss words?

Fiction can be immoral, in that some people believe it causes harm to your soul, but it can't make people act outside their nature. I may watch Pokemon characters eating rice ball 'jelly donuts' and get inspired to make jelly donuts that look like onigiri, but I have to already think that making donuts is a good idea.

And the big thing is, that no matter what, like every villain believing they're the hero, people attacking others over fiction believe they're justified. I mean there was just a thread the other day with people making excuses for fandom bullying as long as the bullies were doing it because they were anti-racism (which happens to be what made a SU fan try to commit suicide) Your pet cause will always justify the means. Always. No matter if it's wanting fat people to stop cosplaying, or wanting people to stop shipping things you deem problematic, or wanting people to stop writing darkfic, etc. Heck, there was just recently a witchhunt in my own fandom where a fan decided to 'save' Jewish fans from the sin of liking Imperial characters because liking Imperials was being pro-Nazi and that made them bad Jews. I wish I was making that up.

And that's why many older fans are so militant about avoiding callouts that aren't factual. If someone plagiarized and you have proof? Callout. If someone committed something that's an actual IRL crime? Callout. If they did something you find icky and sinful and bad for their immortal soul? Suck it up, buttercup.

If I'm reading you right, OP then this is...common sense?

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