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fandomsecrets2008-05-24 05:34 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #505 ⌋
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39. I LOVE THAT MOVIE! Both of them were such great characters. (See, Hollywood, you can have interesting female characters that aren't hookers or cancer patients.) And, yes, I cried when Oscar died in his own church. What a horrible way to go.
40. All the Iron Man love. I am actually pleasently surprised that it is doing so well overseas. Sure, there's RDJ's amazing performance. But the movie is so American. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Yank, here.
But if you think about it, outside of Captain America no other superhero is so American. Batman/Bruce Wayne is product of his childhood. Peter Parker/Spider-Man is a product of his class. The X-Men were products of the world's fear.
Bruce Wayne could have been born in London and you would have had still the same result. Toss Peter Parker in Toronto and not much a difference would change. Heck, you toss Peter Parker in Tokyo and still get the same guy. But Tony Stark? Only America could have given birth to Tony Stark.
I would love to hear why people overseas love this movie. Especially since the TV news, magazines and newspaper tell us that we, Americans, aren't on everyone's fave list.
43, Just because of that, I am watching the first two seasons of Avatar right now.
70. Freema's Catholic? Hey, one for our team. Yeah!
And, oh, yeah, boo hoo, I can't handle that people think differently from me. Boo hoo.
Grow up.
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(Anonymous) 2008-05-24 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)I think I agree, but I'd like to hear more. I'm not disagreeing I'm actually just really curious now. :) I'm also a yank and it's about time we have a hero that isn't embarrassing and completely just ours.
I would love to hear why people overseas love this movie. Especially since the TV news, magazines and newspaper tell us that we, Americans, aren't on everyone's fave list.
Sometimes quality is enough I guess. Tony is admirable even if he's American. I know a Brit online who raved of the effects, the acting and just overall coherently good film. All is not lost it seems!
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Again, Tony.
Tony is basically a science geek but he's treated like a rock star. Where else in the world can he be treated like that? The only other famous scientist I can think of that is on the same level of fame is Hawkings and not even he gets the rock star treatment. Richard Branson is another one but he doesn't have the American youthful swagger or ideology that Tony has. (Because, face it, to the world, We, Americans, will always the punks.) You could see Kayne West calling up Stark to hook him up with some robot for his stage show. I can see Tony Stark going on MTV TRL to promote something. Richard Branson...not so much.
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a) Robert Downey Jr;
b) that bit where Tony's in the suit and he races the Air Force jets and then one of the pilots has to eject and his parachute gets jammed and Tony scoots over to fix it and then whooshes away;
c) a pretty strong implicit critique of US militarism (it's not too overt and it's muddled by the "ooh shiny battlesuit" and the "my best friend is in the military", but it's there -- Tony describes the current military-industrial system as having no accountability, and we see some pretty awful consequences of profit-driven weapons manufacturing; plus, the justification Tony gives early on for his "merchant of death" ways is pretty clearly meant to be seen as hollow and false);
d) Gwyneth Paltrow being incredibly charming as Pepper;
e) the robots! so cute! so funny!;
f) a stirring tale of moral redemption, with chases, fights and explosions and a guy in a giant powered armour suit -- what's not to love?
I think you're overstating the uniquely Americanness of Tony Stark, too [edit: as opposed to other superheroes, that is] -- there were Indian and Japanese versions of Spider-Man, and they were nothing like the original. Superheroes in general are a very American concept, and I could get very tl;dr as to why; but that doesn't mean their stories aren't appealing to non-Americans. Japanese pop culture is taking over the world, not despite its Japaneseness but because of it.
And us non-Americans don't hate American culture, as a rule. We just don't like the USA's dominance over global affairs. We're very happy to watch Hollywood movies and listen to American rock music and eat hamburgers and whatnot. If somebody told me I couldn't read American comics or watch American TV any more, I think I'd faint from horror...
70: ...yeah, that was my reaction too, heh. I don't even go to Mass any more, but I always feel strangely comforted to learn that a famous person is Catholic. It's weird.
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(Anonymous) 2008-05-24 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)Re: 40 OP
Iron Man is more consistent: it's pretty much good all the way through. It doesn't create the same intensity that the first part of Batman Begins did, but it does do some very clever things with plotting, the cast is uniformly excellent, and the action scenes are pure joy. Not to mention that, unlike Batman Begins, which is kind of in its own universe, it's very rooted in the real world. That's more a matter of taste than merit, though.
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I was a little uncomfortable with the beginning of the movie, right up until he starting building the suit in the cave, for a couple reasons. One is because yeah, everything about Tony Stark is so blatantly American and so fundamentally against my ideals that it kind of hurt. I actually reall hated that he was in Afghanistan (though it does make sense, because there's no way it could have been Iraq, and the Middle East worked best for the purposes of the movie) because Canadian soldiers are still there and still dying and we're going to be there for awhile.)
Tony's speech when they fire off the Jericho about it being the way 'America does it' and the blurb during the awards ceremony about 'protecting America's interests around the globe'? Yeah, bothered me. Not so much that I was going to stop watching (cause you get pretty used to Americanisms living in Canada) but if it had continued on that vein, I probably wouldn't have liked it. But it didn't, and I really loved it, enough to see it twice in a row.
I love the movie so much because Tony became a changed man, and one that was trying to make up for lost mistakes. He didn't see the damage his weapons were causing in the wrong hands because it never really had affected him. Then he had to notice, and he immediately did something about it.
One of the most interesting parts that didn't really get expanded was the rift between Tony and his liasion officer (whose name escapes me) after the press conference. It was a clash of viewpoints on what would really make the world a better place, and it seems to me like that clash is going on all over the place, to varying degrees.
Americans, you're right, aren't on everyone's favourite list. But the movie was unapologetic about how America views it's weapons policy/enemies, but then to turn it on it's head and have Tony blowing all that stuff up? Fantastic! I just wish that he hadn't given himself away at the end, because then it does chain him to follow American rules, instead of his own "I'm going to and fix this problem" (a policy I only like because he's a freaking superhero, and also, Tony Stark.)
This was long and rambly, sorry.
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(Anonymous) 2008-05-24 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)Tony became a changed man, and one that was trying to make up for lost mistakes. He didn't see the damage his weapons were causing in the wrong hands because it never really had affected him. Then he had to notice, and he immediately did something about it.
I think that goes along way to way IM struck a cord with me more then BB That and Robert's performance.
I just wish that he hadn't given himself away at the end, because then it does chain him to follow American rules, instead of his own "I'm going to and fix this problem" (a policy I only like because he's a freaking superhero, and also, Tony Stark.)
I laughed so hard when he did that. It showed just how true they stayed to the character, but also that Tony isn't suddenly a saint. Also, I don't think they would have taken him seriously and they would eventually buy the "body guard" story. Only the sequel will say for sure.
From one rambler to any other, always feel free to ramble away. :)
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At one point in IM, Tony sounded so much like Batman I started making really bad Batman jokes. The similarities are there, but Tony's just so much more...life-like. Me and Batman have some issues. And Tony kinda shook off the emo. That? I truly loved. And his house is like, the coolest house ever. I want his computer. He can put his hand into the computer diagrahm! Doesn't get much cooler.
*nods* It was really true to Tony's character, I just...disliked it for plot reasons. There's no way he could have gotten away with the bodyguard story. It was really a Tony ending, and I'm intrigued what they can and will do with the sequel.
*raises the traditional ramble drink* Pleasure to meet you. :D
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(Anonymous) 2008-05-25 12:11 am (UTC)(link)I want his computer literally. It was voiced by Paul Bettany.
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And, oh, yeah, boo hoo, I can't handle that people think differently from me. Boo hoo.
Grow up.
MADE OF WIN.
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Also, I haven't seen Iron Man yet, but I love your analysis of him. It makes me think of why I absolutely loved Captain Jack (when he first showed up). "Do I look like an 'out-of-bounds' kind of guy?" Yeah. ^_^
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While this is true, I can't say it reflects well on America that it is.
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Every country has it's own special brand of wanker. :)
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I beg to differ. See, the way I see it, his change of heart is very American. Yeah, we are arrogant, bold and hate being told what to do but, deep down, we want to be the good guys. We want to do right by the world. Rather than look at the destruction that his weapons did and go, "Oh, well. I escaped so who cares about everyone else," he felt the need to do something. Anything. In order to correct this mistake. But, again, that change of heart did not change the character. He is still bold, arrogant and hates being told what to do, in short, even though he turned into a hero, he's still the same American.
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Hence, Stane couldn't give a damn but Stark could.
[middle east country]istan
That's cute. Quick fact, the ending "stan" means "land". Which means all those countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan sound less cool once you realize this.
Pakiland....nah...Pakistan...yes.
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Afghan-land sounds like a place where you'd get those knitted blankets.
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Come on down to Crazy Eddie's Afghan-Land! We have blankets of all shapes and sizes for you. Wool afghans! Cotton afghans! And, yes, even Cashmere afghans! All priced to sell! Sell! SELL!!! That's Crazy Eddie's off of Jefferson and Tarmac. Across from Wanda's Paki-Land Emporium. Come today!
This is probably true, but I think spending a week sweating and pretending to make your own weaponry gives you a little more time to think, whether it does anything or not.
Yeah, but Stane probably would have made a weapon, blown everyone away and vowed to turned the whole place into a glass parking lot. Innocents be damned.
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