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⌈ Secret Post #3794 ⌋

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Re: Too tired to be much entertainment tonight

[soldatsasha]

idk, man... I can see the argument that it's sexist, but I don't agree.

Society polices all kinds of stupid choices parents make all the time, it's not sexism it's just looking out for the best interests of children who can't look out for themselves. If someone yells at you because you let your kid ride a bike without a helmet that isn't sexism. If someone says you shouldn't leave your baby unattended by the pool that isn't sexism. If someone says doing heroin could hurt your unborn baby that also isn't sexism. Someone getting pissed bc you don't believe in vaccinating your kid, that's not sexism either.

I don't think alcohol should get a pass just because 'a little bit is fine' or 'it MIGHT not hurt your baby' or 'but what about the pregnant lady's social life?!'

Like, when you CHOOSE to carry a baby, you are also (hopefully) choosing to put that baby's needs above your need to throw back some shots. And since there is no way to know how much alcohol will permanently harm your child, maybe it's a good idea to avoid toeing that line at all?

idk, I'm not a woman, but I can't even fathom being pregnant and then thinking to myself "hmm, I know there's been decades of research saying that alcohol consumption could hurt or kill my child, but fuck my kid, I want some wine with my dinner."

Re: Too tired to be much entertainment tonight

[(Anonymous)]

You're completely right, but the point here is that there's no evidence a little alcohol does anything to babies. The only proven correlation is heavy regular drinking (lots of nights passed out drunk kind of deal). If there's not any evidence of something, why are we shrieking at pregnant women?

I agree that the baby's needs and safety are the most important, but scaremongering or shaming pregnant women for doing things there's no evidence of is pretty nuts.

Re: Too tired to be much entertainment tonight

[soldatsasha]

That actually isn't true, though. I know the article makes it out that way, but there's been a lot of research done that shows the exact opposite, hence why many health groups (including those run by women) say that it's best to not drink at all. There is no consensus on whether or not it's safe, or how much is safe, so the best course is to avoid alcohol.

There's been lots of research into how random FAS can be, it can take one episode of binge drinking for an otherwise sober mother to cause it, it can accumulate over time, or it can not happen at all even if the mother is downing a jug of vodka every day. There's also certain periods of development where the fetus is incredibly vulnerable to alcohol and other drugs. And there's periods of development where the fetus isn't vulnerable and drinking even heavily is probably totally fine, but that really isn't a gamble to take with a child's life.

Calling it "scaremongering" is imo pretty bullshit, since there's no way of a woman knowing how much is safe for her to drink. It's like saying vaccine advocacy is "scaremongering", since not everyone who isn't vaccinated get's polio. And "shaming?" Exposing a child to the possibility of getting a 100% avoidable disease is absolutely shame-worthy.

Re: Too tired to be much entertainment tonight

[thewakokid]

The trouble is that the reason there is no causal evidence - as opposed to correlational evidence which we have in spades - is that to get that causal evidence you would need to perform experiments which are by any measure utterly monstrous. No were in the world would anyone sanction an experiment so purposefully introduce varying levels of alcohol into an unborn baby.

Re: Too tired to be much entertainment tonight

[(Anonymous)]

So the sensible public health decision is to advise no alcohol during pregnancy.

Re: Too tired to be much entertainment tonight

[thewakokid]

Broadly speaking thats where i stand, i mean for the most part. The current advice isn't No alcohol, its to consume only a tiny quantity of it, which they are working on the assumption will be fine. Its still a risk, but the people working the data deem it an insignificant risk, which I have no choice but to tale them at their word, they are working with facts that I don't have. What I refuse to take at its word is the idea that the facts we have ain't solid enough to justify health advice, and never will be, so we should discard any health advice that makes people feel bad.