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[ SECRET POST #3803 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3803 ⌋

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[Agents of SHIELD]

I think it's because AoS marketed as a show about the average humans who are working steadily in the background of the Avenger's larger than life adventures, but it quickly became obvious that it was REALLY All About Skye.

She's the best hacker in the world because she knows how to navigate Facebook!

She's a super genius because she suggested that they track who's making money in an effort to find the bad guy.

Everybody worships her! An entire village was willing to die to save baby!Skye! She's Coulson's surrogate daughter! The only thing real about Ward's double agent act was his love for her! May, who likes no one, thinks she's really something special!

She's the only person who can withstand the Death Rock because she's so amazing! Now she has super-special superpowers!

I quit watching the show early in season three because I couldn't handle another episode of Super Special Skdaisy's Super Special Superteam. It's possible that the show has calmed down a bit in regards to her in the meantime.

I wanted a story about the little guys who clean up the mess post-superhero fights and instead I got a Quake origin story. If that's the show they wanted to write, fine, but it should have been marketed that way from the start.

It has not calmed down from that at all. If anything S4 made it even worse. She gets to be ever so super special, and then even more special again and I just want her shot in the head. Repeatedly.

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I think you have exaggerated some of the plot elements you've cited:

For example, the entire village thing? She didn't ask for that, and it turned out to be a lot grislier than the usual romanticized Mary Sue story is (for details you can consult the Agents of SHIELD wiki). In fact I would argue that it was more along the lines of "unsuspecting village was attacked to get at Daisy".

May has also shown a deep and abiding respect and friendship with Coulson as well as Daisy.

Other people besides her have survived the "Death Rock" (if by which you mean the Diviner): Jiaying, Raina, and Gordon, just to name a few.

I personally found I didn't mind the focus on Skye/Daisy, but that's probably because I didn't go in with any preconceived expectations at all, since I had very little info except that it linked with the Avengers and Agent Carter verse.

DA, I didn't go into the show with any preconceived notions either...and whilst I really liked Skye to begin with, it became more and more apparent that she was a Sue.

And not one I could sit through for long either, unlike Buffy. If you like her, like her, suehood be damned.

(Also, it really doesn't matter if she asked for the village being attacked. No Sue I have ever read has 'asked' for their tragic backstory. Nor does it matter how grisly or graphic it was, unfortunately it's still a hallmark of a sue.)

So much this, as well as the comment below that suggests she rarely gets held accountable (in the show, not necessarily by the fans), even if she endangers others, breaks laws/rules, and so on. Her flaws are presented as strengths and her entirely average strengths, super powers aside, are held up as awesome examples of how different, i.e. better, she is compared to the others. In particular, any time a character is framed as the untrained outsider who suddenly becomes essentially the leader that is meant to connect the rest of the cast to "regular" people and show them empathy and how to do "good", as if no one else on the team has those qualities or goals, I'm most likely going to side-eye them. A lot.

And the funny thing is I actually like Skye/Daisy very much - when she's a member of the ensemble, not the star of the show (silly me, I went into the show expecting that to be Coulson, and I'd much rather watch him, Simmons, May, Fitz, Mack, Bobbi, Hunter, etc. etc. etc. Instead I get a focus on Daisy again and again and again).

And the funny thing is I actually like Skye/Daisy very much - when she's a member of the ensemble, not the star of the show (silly me, I went into the show expecting that to be Coulson, and I'd much rather watch him, Simmons, May, Fitz, Mack, Bobbi, Hunter, etc. etc. etc. Instead I get a focus on Daisy again and again and again).

This is me. I like Skye/Daisy as a member of the team. I just am not crazy about her being treated as the star.

Previous anon - yep! I actually quite love Daisy the Character. It's Daisy the Super Special Lead (or worse Daisy the Plot Device) that I cannot stand.

Her not being held accountable and too easily forgive by everyone is a big reason why I started to hate her, especially since the other characters get called out by the team if they fuck up but Sky/Daisy gets treated with kid gloves.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-06-03 21:02 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2017-06-03 23:09 (UTC) - Expand

THIS. It's Agents of SHIELD, not the goddamn Skye/Daisy show. The obsession with her storylines over better characters is why I quit watching.

Now a days, people use "Mary-Sue" as a blanket term to describe any Female character, ESPECIALLY ones that "get in the way" of ships. Take it with a grain of salt.

While I agree to a certain extent, I don't know of any ships that she got in the way of, so I don't think that would apply in this case.

Indeed, unless you believe she got in the way of Skyeward for daring to dislike him for being a Nazi killer. (Just like Jemma gets/got hate for being uncertain of her feelings for Fitz or "cheating" on him with Will.)

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(Anonymous) - 2017-06-03 00:19 (UTC) - Expand

I didn't really start thinking that until the second half of season three, when no matter what she did everyone loved her and was ready to die for her. I just kind of got sick of the Daisy Johnson show. I didn't watch the most recent season though.

There were points where the show/plot/other characters literally warped around the character and how special she was.

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Actual examples would be nice instead of blanket assertions.

NAYRT-- You were given some examples in the first comment. I'm beginning to suspect that you can't handle any serious criticism of how the show handles her character, don't know why AYRT should even bother.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-06-03 02:09 (UTC) - Expand

She’s a hacker, but wait she’s not just a hacker, she’s a hactivist and the best hacker ever (We know nothing about her. Do you know how often that happens? That never happens.) Oh, but she’s actually still working for The Rising Tide. That’s bad, but don't worry, everyone will forgive and forget after like three episodes. Oh and, she’s so caring and has so much empathy, everyone should admire this because apparently no other character's empathy counts. Now, she’s an agent. But, wait, there’s more. She’s an 084. And lots of SHIELD agents have died to protect her. What is she? Something special I bet. Oh, an inhuman. And she has powers, lots of powers, now her powers have powers.

Re: Are you kidding?

(Anonymous) - 2017-06-03 04:26 (UTC) - Expand

I love Daisy and think she's a terrific character, but she absolutely was a Mary Sue in the first half of the first season, and some way into the second half. She was not just a hacker but the best and coolest hacker. She lived in a van but this didn't affect her haircare regime. Coulson in particular kept stopping to make speeches about how awesome and caring and brave Skye was, when she was behaving pretty much like a young and only partially trained member of the team.

Once May started training her and she wasn't instantly the Best Fighter, and she rejected Ward for being a Nazi, things turned around pretty fast and I now think she's awesome. But she definitely had a wobbly start.

I just found her annoying and didn't like that the show tended to put all it's concentration on her when I liked the other characters better. Sue or not, I just didn't like the character.

I haven't watched that much of the show, but I thought it was an ensemble? Simmons has had arcs, Coulson has had arcs, Bobbi and May and Hunter have had arcs. Skye wasn't actually swallowing up the whole show that I could see.

Then you're not paying close enough attention. An (often underdeveloped) arc or two that lasts, if the audience and character is lucky, a handful of episodes is not the same thing as having nearly every single plot and indeed the whole show revolve around or connect back to the same character, while all the other characters including guest stars fall over themselves over how amazing and important they find her.

At the very start she was, but since then it's become much more of an ensemble, which is great.

Sorry, can you tell me when exactly the ensemble got to enjoy fully realized stories of their own rather than propping up hers? Because I would love to watch THAT show!!!

Was it when the major mystery/hook of the show, why Coulson was alive, was turned into a race to save her and to hint at how super special she was?

Was it when Coulson's crazy drawings became a way to lead them to the city where she became a superhero? When the major part of Fitz's recovery arc was capped off by him using the important lessons he learned to comfort her?

Was it when the back half of season 2 was spent dealing with her Inhuman transformation, including long stretches of time with JUST her and guest stars at Afterlife? When Bobbi and Mack's betrayal story focused on capturing her and was dropped as soon as they were able to demonstrate who the real threat was, i.e. Skye's parents?

Was it when she was creating and leading her own team of superheroes? When she was the only one capable of opening the portal to save Jemma? Or maybe when Jemma recovered from PTSD in record time, so the Maveth storyline could focus on Hive, which naturally turned into Daisy being the one of main concern?

Was it when her sadness over Lincoln's death and Hive's possession led her to flounce off in a temper tantrum and spend the first third of the season again off on her own while the others tried to find her and beg her to come back?

Or maybe it was when she was revealed to be good after all, and people at the press conference applauded her like the superstar hero she was?

Or when she was once again the only one capable of opening the backdoor so they could escape the Framework?

Or when she's once again put in danger from the rest of the world because one of the room full o' Daisys (a horrifying thought) shot Talbot?

Oh, oh! I know! It was definitely when Fitz & Simmons didn't get any sort of real closure/conversation in the finale, but we sure as hell got an "I'm a Leader now!" speech from Daisy. That was definitely when the show stopped being about Daisy and about the ensemble instead.

Because she's a made-up outsider character coming into an established world that ends up having most story arcs revolve around her in one way or another, is instantly accepted by just about everyone (though every character does eventually come around), constantly fucks shit up and rarely sees consequence, is always easily/instantly forgiven for her mistakes, seems to pick up skills that take months/years to learn in a matter of days or weeks (even besting people who have mastered said skill), has superpowers, said superpowers seem to do whatever she needs them to even it is seemingly outside of their original limitations or outright nonsensical, has a totally rad haircut and wardrobe, lives/d in a van and yet didn't seem to have a problem with hygiene or nutrition.

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